I'll buy that. 50k maybe even 55k. But higher than that? Well just look over at the other thread where the salaries of all the CnD players are posted. We have players On our national team in the 25-30 age range (with 5-10 yrs of playing experience) playing in europe who make 150k or less.
Originally Posted by Soccerpro
Last edited by Free kick; 07-01-2012 at 03:21 PM.
Raising min wage reduces employment. Fundemental.
LOWER the min wage and increase roster sizes. Provides opportunities for players and teams to develope players for later play or sale.
MLS is starting to get the value of providing initial pro contracts for very cheap and developing. The second pro contract is always the big jump and employers like MLS protect themselves through volume.
Really? Have you seen the numbers for HG signings in MLS? Have you seen how many HG signing's are quick to flame out of the league? Even MLS has admitted their doing a horrible job with young players. They're not really developing much at this point.
Originally Posted by Beachtory
And please don't spout that crap about min wage reduces employment crap. Save that for your republican cheering message boards,
Its very basic economics. He is correct. I undertstand you studied Law, but i guess you never had to take an intro to economics course at any time. This has got nothing to politics and everything to do with basic supply and demand theory.
Originally Posted by Soccerpro
It doesnt matter if you are republican, democrate, liberal or conservative etc etc etc.
Here you go:
See supply and demand graph, With a minimun wage, you have supply of labour equal to E1 Value. And a demand equal E3. Hence the difference repesents unemployment because you have excess supply.
And to get back to my main point, the basic first week class applies to my example earlier. Which i have laid out.
Last edited by Free kick; 07-01-2012 at 11:03 PM.
But MLS isn't the general labour market.
You want to increase the minimum wage so that you stop young players from deciding its better to get a 'real' job or go back to school.
There are a finite number of jobs in MLS anyways, so economic theory models don't necessarily apply.
Originally Posted by narduch
But it is. ok how is it different than any other labour market or the market price equilibrium for any othe good or service? In any labour market there are alternatives. Supply curves, just like demand curves are not static. As i said before, players that are earning 44k, Are not in it because thats what they expect to earn in the long term. They are doing, just as an apprentice would, for the opportunity to earn a bigger pay day down the road by impressing.
No different than welding, millright of mechanic apprentice. Take away that opportunity from them by raising the floor, then the employer will look for alternatives and you will have taken away opportunities for the apprentice. Its because they are cheap, that they are getting a chance.
They make more than what professional baseball players make as rookies. Raise the floor for baseball rookies to an unreasonable amount and you would put out of business many if not all Class A ball operators who dont have the revenues to cover the costs. Do baseball players dream of playing baseball to earn what a Class A player earns? Of course not. They dream of making it to the majors where they will earn multimillion. Its the same for the MLS rookies who are not GA. They make more than football and Basketball players of the same age who are in college. Those guys are also apprentices but they earn 0$ even though they play in what is pretty much a professional environment. S o that when they make it to bigs they are not rookies in the same sence as baseball players.
Last edited by Free kick; 07-02-2012 at 05:55 PM.
While I do like Freekick as a poster, I have to provide a different perspective on one of his points. He said that having minimum contracts at the current level help clubs take chances on young players like Henry and Stinson where they otherwise wouldn't if the minimum salaries were increased. However, I think having minimum contracts at a higher level like $200,000 will make the prospects that much better considering more of the country's best players will want to land that contract instead of opting for university or going overseas. TFC have already lost some solid prospects to European clubs. I'm willing to bet prospective salaries had a lot to do with it.
Last edited by Macksam; 07-02-2012 at 06:23 PM.
But how can you pay 200K to guys whereby the majority will be playing in the reserve games. The reserve games draw no fans.
Originally Posted by Macksam
Also, you are missing the point i am making. As are several others. If the starting salary is going to be that high, then why have an academy? There would be no point because the market for soccer players is so huge that you could find players for that kind of money who would represent a far less risk at 200k. . You guys are forgetting, that for every Ashtone Morgan, there are going to to 5-10 Gabe Gala's, Andrea Lombardo's or matt golds. Why would you give 150-200k to those guys.
Last edited by Free kick; 07-02-2012 at 09:52 PM.
I was just hypotehtically speaking. I would like to see the minimum salary at $200,000 when the league can actually sustain those salaries, which hopefully happens in the next decade or two.
Originally Posted by Free kick