Grizzly, the fact the far right has made gains in Holland and other European countries is true. The interesting thing to me is that non-white
immigration has taken place in Holland for over 40 years. More Surinamese live in Holland than Suriname. I believe the recent gains by
the far right are for cultural reasons more than racial ones. From the sounds of it, they fear radical Islam. A great book that deals with the issue is called Murder in Amsterdam: Liberal Europe, Islam and the Limits of Tolerance.
most of race or discrimination issues are driven by economics and have very little to do with anything else. combine high unemployment rate and failing social assistance system with information/history that is being twisted by far right movement or any other interested movement and you have young man who are ready to cause some trouble. if you have proper social assistance system in place, good education system in place and access to jobs, you have no issues with race or discrimination issues.
BBC Panorama peace is very lazy journalism, that fails to address or present real issues
Below are two docs done by Dynamo and Polish Ultras that will give you a better idea what supporters in Poland Ukraine have been dealing with and what is the situation on the ground.
Last edited by DavydMT; 06-18-2012 at 11:14 PM.
I would agree that intolerance arises not only for racial reason but cultural and economic ones as well but that does not make it any more justifiable. The racism in eastern Europe is definitely bad but to say it is worse than in the west is absolutely false. It may be more dangerous in a walking down the street late at night manner but it is not as dangerous in a political sense as it is in the west. The majority of neo-Nazi racist hooligans in the East will change as they get older, the economy of their country's gets better and they/their country's have more contact with the world. Significant portions of educated middle class populations in wealthy western European countries voting for far right parties is a lot more worrying. And a lot of the current problem stems from the history of immigrants who were brought to western Europe mostly as a form of slave labour, ie. to clean the toilets but not to integrate into society. They were supposed to be guest workers and go back after a few years but in a few years time there were still toilets to be cleaned so they stayed. Now those countries are paying the price for not integrating these people and blaming them for the problem.
Anybody who has read this forum or predecessors over the past decade or more knows I am far from a Britophile, but, as a small example of
how much the balance and fairness of mothercorp is in the scheme of things, this:
Of course, the hatrz will point to this as just another example of self-aggranezzzament.
With the exception of a few minor incidents, the Euro came off without many problems. And for all the talk of racism in Poland and Ukraine, racist and fascist flags were displayed during gatherings to watch the game and celebrations in both Spain and Italy.
Barcelona Plaza d'Espana:
Rome Circus Maximus
it only took Ukraine two days to be back in the news after euro final, http://www.thestar.com/news/world/ar...n-language-law
with both seasons starting soon and many leaders of the ultras in both Poland and Ukraine arrested during the euro i unanticipated we will hear more about Poland and Ukraine this year.
Last edited by DavydMT; 07-04-2012 at 05:27 PM.
The 2nd bit, from the Circus Maximus, thats just amazing. Further proof stupidity respects no international border.
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