TFC - MTL (second leg) [R]

[SteveBeau]

Nobodies accusing you specifically of being a racist. Its not like we expect YOU to control what every single UM member says to the opposing supporters.

But your argument sounds like somebody going around using the N-word and saying its okay cause they have a black friend… Anti-racist my a**

The fact that you defended the UM member who called somebody a Paki makes me question how “anti-racist” you actually are. “He called him a frog”… that’s about as bad as calling an Anglo a WASP. It’s NOT the same as using the N-word or Paki towards a visual minority.

But why are you surprised that there are UM members from Quebec going around calling people Paki’s? The “Reasonable Accommodation” debate seems to have given Quebeckers the morale support to be intolerant and racist. More hate crimes were reported followings the release of the Bouchard-Taylor Report.

It’s a bit anecdotal, but I know plenty of South Asian immigrants that initially settled in Quebec. All of them give the same reason for why the move out, and I think we all know why... *hint* its not their poor French, immigrants are forced into French school.

Don’t take my word for it. Academia has done research on it on both sides of the Ontario-Quebec border: http://www.concordia.ca/now/what-we-...ommodation.php

http://www.google.ca/url?q=http://ww...5A5kgEmq02G-Rw

Actually using the word "frog" is an ethnic slur and is very pejorative not at all comparable to calling someone a White Anglo Saxon Protestant (WASP) which basically describes what that person is, like calling a Francophone a white roman catholic. It is just the same as using other ethnic based insults despite what YOU may think.

[Yohan]

I don't care whether you felt justified or provoked, but there is no room for violence in soccer or any sports match. ZERO

[SteveBeau]

I don't care whether you felt justified or provoked, but there is no room for violence in soccer or any sports match. ZERO

I'm not sure who you're referring to when you say "you" but if it is to me I must say that:

1) I didn't make the trip to Toronto this year so I wasn't there

2) I was merely answering the previous poster who seems to think that calling people frogs
is no big deal and is not insulting at all.

3) I was in no way commenting on the incident that happened in Toronto.

[kyam]

I was merely answering the previous poster who seems to think that calling people frogs
is no big deal and is not insulting at all.

Yes, WASP is an acronym, I think we are all aware of that. However, when you refer to somebody as "waspy" or a culture as "Waspy", your not simply describing somebody as "white-anglo-saxon protestant"... you are insinuating something else, usually negative.

Both are insulting depending on the tone in which the term was used, nobody is debating that. In fact, if I was francophone and I was called a Frog, I'd be pretty insulted cause its a stupid and ignorant term.

But when a mob of White-francophones (I say "White" because it is the race of majority in Canada) target ONE individual just because they look a certain way (cause you wouldnt call just anybody with a TFC jersey a Paki You'd only use that term if the person looked a certain way), it has different implications than just name calling.

Think about it from this perspective. If a Francophone was to walk along Yonge St, wearing neutral clothing, would a random stranger be able to come up to you and call you a "f**king frog"? No, because you can basically hide among the crowd as a caucasion and escape the same level of discrimination as a result.

Now, take the same scenario and replace the francophone with a South Asian. Pretty easy to identify. The person becomes an easy target...

As insulting as the term FROG or WASP is... If a black guy uses the term "waspy" to describe somebody, most Anglophones reaction would NOT be to call the person a "n-word". Both terms are insulting, but its a case of using a nuclear bomb to neutralize somebody with a shot gun.

That's what Grizzlie is insinuating. That because the term Frog was thrown out their, that its okay that the UM member called the guy a Paki.

[Califax]

Yes, WASP is an acronym, I think we are all aware of that. However, when you refer to somebody as "waspy" or a culture as "Waspy", your not simply describing somebody as "white-anglo-saxon protestant"... you are insinuating something else, usually negative.

Both are insulting depending on the tone in which the term was used, nobody is debating that. In fact, if I was francophone and I was called a Frog, I'd be pretty insulted cause its a stupid and ignorant term.

But when a mob of White-francophones (I say "White" because it is the race of majority in Canada) target ONE individual just because they look a certain way (cause you wouldnt call just anybody with a TFC jersey a Paki You'd only use that term if the person looked a certain way), it has different implications than just name calling.

Think about it from this perspective. If a Francophone was to walk along Yonge St, wearing neutral clothing, would a random stranger be able to come up to you and call you a "f**king frog"? No, because you can basically hide among the crowd as a caucasion and escape the same level of discrimination as a result.

Now, take the same scenario and replace the francophone with a South Asian. Pretty easy to identify. The person becomes an easy target...

As insulting as the term FROG or WASP is... If a black guy uses the term "waspy" to describe somebody, most Anglophones reaction would NOT be to call the person a "n-word". Both terms are insulting, but its a case of using a nuclear bomb to neutralize somebody with a shot gun.

That's what Grizzlie is insinuating. That because the term Frog was thrown out their, that its okay that the UM member called the guy a Paki.

Game. Set. Match. +1

[Lord Bob]

“He called him a frog”… that’s about as bad as calling an Anglo a WASP.

[youllneverwalkalone]

^Are you calling Jean-Luc Picard a ****ing frog? Or Patrick Stewart a ****ing WASP?

[lattes]

Can most at least agree that while taunting someone's club is pretty much OK and really all in good spirits at the end of the day, personally attacking someone by calling them frog/paki/white trash etc is just not cool.

[jpg75]

Can most at least agree that while taunting someone's club is pretty much OK and really all in good spirits at the end of the day, personally attacking someone by calling them frog/paki/white trash etc is just not cool.

Yes.

Impact suck balls.

[nfitz]

The Impact fan called a TFC fan of Indian descent a "Paki".

Some Impact fans were tweeting using the Paki word as well.

I just can't imagine anyone so utterly evil and racist to be using that word in this day and age.

Why are some Impact fans so racist? Surely this is the big issue we should be discussing.