TFC - MTL (second leg) [R]

[dyslexic nam]

Guess I am alone in thinking the red wasn't entirely unjustified. Curious...

[Free kick]

Nice to see the CSA spreads the crappy officials around. We got a fat linesman who called back our first goal when the player was clearly 3 feet onside. It makes me wonder if the CSA should just abandon player dev and leave it to the clubs and try to improve the officiating? Maybe just give up on the officiating? They can't seem to put a decent crew together.

See you guys in the finals.

I have been quite low key about complaining of MLS refereeing over the past 6 years. But but i cant say the same about Concacaf champions league and the Voyageurs cup.

I am probably in the minority but, even though MLS officiated matches have their warts, I find that MLS officiated matches rarely (if ever) raise my ire as to the degree that Concacaf and Cnd championship stuff that i have seen in four years.


off the top of my head:

- The scandalous stench of the away matches played against Panamanian clubs. Where it looked pretty clear that the ref was paid to help the local clubs

- Last nights red card infraction that nobody saw.

- the ball that crossed the line but goal that wasn't awarded from last year in the final game.

- the foul nobody saw to Jim Brennan (on a corner kick!! .. imagine that) in the first year of V cup game that resulted in PK and winning goal.

[loyola]

Guess I am alone in thinking the red wasn't entirely unjustified. Curious...

The RC is around 1:30 in that video:

http://www.torontofc.ca/video/2012/0...act-may-9-2012

I think it's the linesman who made the call. Gantar doesn«,t have his hand in his pocket when he's approching the Impact player on the ground but he's looking on the sideline and seems to be talking to his AR. Maybe that why initially Gantar gave the FK to TFC.

On that replay it seems like Eck did indeed stomp on Ubi leg. Could've been a broken leg on that play. I would like to see the AR angle on that one, maybe that would give us a better idea of Eck intention.

[loyola]

http://viewfromthesouthstands.com/2012/05/impact-lose/

I just saw this video about what happened at the end of the game (at the end of the video). Some people are true idiots, throwing seats at people from the top of the stands....someone could get seriously injured. Don't like to see that in the Voyageurs Cup.

[Grizzly]

I have been quite low key about complaining of MLS refereeing over the past 6 years. But but i cant say the same about Concacaf champions league and the Voyageurs cup.

I am probably in the minority but, even though MLS officiated matches have their warts, I find that MLS officiated matches rarely (if ever) raise my ire as to the degree that Concacaf and Cnd championship stuff that i have seen in four years.


off the top of my head:

- The scandalous stench of the away matches played against Panamanian clubs. Where it looked pretty clear that the ref was paid to help the local clubs

- Last nights red card infraction that nobody saw.

- the ball that crossed the line but goal that wasn't awarded from last year in the final game.

- the foul nobody saw to Jim Brennan (on a corner kick!! .. imagine that) in the first year of V cup game that resulted in PK and winning goal.

So because no one saw the red card infraction from our seats far away from the pitch that means the ref who was near to the players was wrong? Eckersly could have broken Ubi's leg on that play. I hope it wasn't on purpose but that was a red card in any league with any ref.

And the reffing is bad in the VC but no worse than in MLS. My biggest disappointment now that we are in MLS is the reffing, it is disgraceful. Indeed the reffing is even worse than it was than in NASL. No I don't think the NASL refs are better than the MLS ones but the MLS ones are the same level as the NASL ones. Add the same poor level of ref to a faster game played at a higher pace and the result is even worse reffing. There are a few exceptions, a few good MLS refs but I haved watched some absolutely horrendously reffed games this year in MLS. For the most part USSF and CSA refs are crap regardless of which league they are in.

[Grizzly]

http://viewfromthesouthstands.com/2012/05/impact-lose/

I just saw this video about what happened at the end of the game (at the end of the video). Some people are true idiots, throwing seats at people from the top of the stands....someone could get seriously injured. Don't like to see that in the Voyageurs Cup.

Security was an absolute disaster at BMO for the game. They have no plan or security strategy and completely incompetent people carrying it out. I used to be the one who contacted TFC when we went to Toronto and year after year I would tell them what they should do to improve security and year after year they do not do it or anything else sensible. For example, they have constantly been told that they need to have a security guard at all times by the washroom we share with TFC fans because we are continually outnumbered there and there are many incidents. Security will show up occasionally there but much of the time they are absent. It is absolutely unsafe for any of us to use the washroom alone during the game and not even very safe going in groups because we are always outnumbered. Since the only thing TFC/MLSE seem to understand is money, I hope they are reading this because I have copies of numerous mails I have sent to the club with regards to security for away fans. If someone gets seriously injured due to the lack of proper security at BMO they will possibly get sued and these letters will be very good evidence of their security negligence.

Additionally, why are away fans placed where they are in BMO? Having the away fans above the area where TFC fans enter and exit the stadium is a recipe for disaster and further security negligence on TFC's part. The away fans should be behind the goal nearest to where the bus comes so it is easiest to get fans in and out of the stadium with minimal contact with home fans. Just like in almost every other stadium in MLS/the world. Obviously TFC could not do this before the stand behind the north side goal was built but since they have had this stand for two years now there is no reason that the away section should not have been moved.

As to the incident on the video: we had a full bus of people at the stadium and also a number of supporters who drove on their own or lived in Toronto. Obviously with MLS there are a lot of new fans some of whom do not know the usual procedures and it seems a couple of Montreal fans left the section a minute or two before the end of the game. BMO security is actually supposed to come around the 80th minute and prevent anyone from leaving the away section but they did not do this. At the end of the game these two fans were leaving the stadium and were attacked by TFC fans with no security present whatsoever. By this time we were confined to the top and seeing two of our fans being attacked someone threw a flare at those attacking them. It was only after the flare was thrown that security came and stopped the guys attacking the Montreal fans the end of which you can see on the video at 6:30.

Additionally, after the police calmed things down in our section two BMO security guys, Tim and Josh, who were not among the security detail assigned to the away section came charging up the stairs into our section and attacked us. Indeed the police then had to break up fight between Josh and one of our members. When there are 20 policemen in the section who have more or less calmed the situation, why are BMO security guys running into the section and causing problems?

These are heated games and there is always the potential for problems between fans. That is precisely why the clubs should be providing good security to avoid such problems. Having the away fans in a poor spot to begin with, not putting security in places where there is contact between the fans, allowing fans to leave the away section at the end of the game and then not providing security where fans are leaving the stadium are all instance of gross neglect and incompetence on BMO/TFC's part. What makes it worse is they have been warned time and time again that they need to fix these problems and they do nothing. I thought about writing them to complain but it is just a waste of my time, they do not listen.

And before anyone accuses me of bias, I am fully aware that security at the Impact games is just as poor for both home and away fans and yes the Impact are constantly told how to do things better and ignore the advice as well. I can understand in the first year or two of the teams playing each other that the clubs were not used to the situation and did not understand how to run security but it is unacceptable that after several years things have not improved at all.

[Grizzly]

As to the game, I was worried how the team would react to being favourites in a match and unfortunately they did not react well. This was definitely our poorest match of the year. I was not really happy with the lineup we fielded either but it seems like Marsh is wanting to rotate players through the lineup and is saving the stronger lineups for MLS. With Olympic stadium being sold out for the LA/Beckham game I guess that is getting more importance. Nevertheless it was a decent enough lineup on the field that we should have played much better especially with TFC down to 10 men.

This game showed the weaknesses of the Impact. The fullbacks are very weak and each of Wahl and Brovsky was responsible for a goal against. Our offence has been better than expected this year but it is very sporadic and we lack finishing or more precisely a finisher. We have no player that we can put on the field when we need a goal, no reliable scorer. Corradi will be a good secondary striker but is not really the guy to be playing alone up top. Nyassi is really fast and dangerous but not a good finisher. Sebrango might be able to fill this role but needs to play regularly if he is to do so. Wenger has been pretty good in his limited time on the field. In reality we really could use Ali Gerba right now although if Di Vaio does sign with us he will take over that role. Not a particularly well coached game on Marsh's part either. And why does De Klerk go after Marsh at the end?

[Heathen]

Security was an absolute disaster at BMO for the game. They have no plan or security strategy and completely incompetent people carrying it out. I used to be the one who contacted TFC when we went to Toronto and year after year I would tell them what they should do to improve security and year after year they do not do it or anything else sensible. For example, they have constantly been told that they need to have a security guard at all times by the washroom we share with TFC fans because we are continually outnumbered there and there are many incidents. Security will show up occasionally there but much of the time they are absent. It is absolutely unsafe for any of us to use the washroom alone during the game and not even very safe going in groups because we are always outnumbered. Since the only thing TFC/MLSE seem to understand is money, I hope they are reading this because I have copies of numerous mails I have sent to the club with regards to security for away fans. If someone gets seriously injured due to the lack of proper security at BMO they will possibly get sued and these letters will be very good evidence of their security negligence.

Additionally, why are away fans placed where they are in BMO? Having the away fans above the area where TFC fans enter and exit the stadium is a recipe for disaster and further security negligence on TFC's part. The away fans should be behind the goal nearest to where the bus comes so it is easiest to get fans in and out of the stadium with minimal contact with home fans. Just like in almost every other stadium in MLS/the world. Obviously TFC could not do this before the stand behind the north side goal was built but since they have had this stand for two years now there is no reason that the away section should not have been moved.

As to the incident on the video: we had a full bus of people at the stadium and also a number of supporters who drove on their own or lived in Toronto. Obviously with MLS there are a lot of new fans some of whom do not know the usual procedures and it seems a couple of Montreal fans left the section a minute or two before the end of the game. BMO security is actually supposed to come around the 80th minute and prevent anyone from leaving the away section but they did not do this. At the end of the game these two fans were leaving the stadium and were attacked by TFC fans with no security present whatsoever. By this time we were confined to the top and seeing two of our fans being attacked someone threw a flare at those attacking them. It was only after the flare was thrown that security came and stopped the guys attacking the Montreal fans the end of which you can see on the video at 6:30.

Additionally, after the police calmed things down in our section two BMO security guys, Tim and Josh, who were not among the security detail assigned to the away section came charging up the stairs into our section and attacked us. Indeed the police then had to break up fight between Josh and one of our members. When there are 20 policemen in the section who have more or less calmed the situation, why are BMO security guys running into the section and causing problems?

These are heated games and there is always the potential for problems between fans. That is precisely why the clubs should be providing good security to avoid such problems. Having the away fans in a poor spot to begin with, not putting security in places where there is contact between the fans, allowing fans to leave the away section at the end of the game and then not providing security where fans are leaving the stadium are all instance of gross neglect and incompetence on BMO/TFC's part. What makes it worse is they have been warned time and time again that they need to fix these problems and they do nothing. I thought about writing them to complain but it is just a waste of my time, they do not listen.

And before anyone accuses me of bias, I am fully aware that security at the Impact games is just as poor for both home and away fans and yes the Impact are constantly told how to do things better and ignore the advice as well. I can understand in the first year or two of the teams playing each other that the clubs were not used to the situation and did not understand how to run security but it is unacceptable that after several years things have not improved at all.

I didn't think it was possible to write that much on the subject without admitting the slightest culpability on your own fan's part, well done.

[Grizzly]

I didn't think it was possible to write that much on the subject without admitting the slightest culpability on your own fan's part, well done.

Yes your previous post on the subject was quite an example of objectivity:

As on previous visits some of the Impact fans spat on threw objects (at least a couple of ripped out seats, lighters and a lit flare) at TFC fans walking past below them. Apparently they got into it with the cops too.

Every year it is the same thing. We get attacked and threatened in the concourse and washroom, things are thrown at us constantly in the away section, there is a constant stream of racial insults and TFC and its security does nothing to stop any of this even though every year they are told what happened and how to prevent it next time. And then when some incident happens TFC fans go on various forums claiming how the evil UM guys did something bad to the innocent TFC fans.

Did all of our fans act like angels? No. But TFC with its gross negligence of and incompetence in implementing security creates the conditions for incidents like this to occur. For F-ucks sake, they could not even protect two guys in Impact scarves walking out of the main gate of the stadium where there should be lots of security. Had they provided even this minimal level of security the incident would not have occurred.

[kj52]

After having watched the game on TV and having a couple of spare minutes this a.m. to read this thread, and particularly after reading Grizzly's (painfully) wordy thoughts - I have to say that I'm very happy that TFC won the game and booted the Impact out of this competition!