Another recent development that might be worth a look in an Ontario context is the new OPDL youth setup that is being pushed by the OSA:
http://www.ontariosoccer.net/Portals/11/LTPD/OPDL.pdf
http://www.cansoc.org/showthread.php...lopment-League
League One Ontario is likely to tie into that if it ever gets off the ground.
Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind - Albert Einstein
once again, this is a hypothetical national league topic, not a L1O discusson (nor a specifically CSL or PLSQ topic). Your talking about Ontarian soccer like whatever Ontario does the rest will surely follow... The L1O/CSL issue is regionally our smallest concern, the gaps are more important here then lower level Ontario soccer, If you want to talk about L1O the way people discuss the CSL, just start a L1O threadsOriginally Posted by BringBackTheBlizzard
Agreed lets keep treads separate
L1O will/would be a D3 level league. It is highly relevant to the discussion of how the D3 level is going to evolve in Canada. If there is going to be an emphasis on player development rather than on a conventional semi-pro format as was reported to have been recommended by Jim Easton and the Rethink study then L1O could easily form the template to be copied elsewhere. The fact that provincial level D3 leagues are emerging in Quebec and Ontario demonstrates that it isn't just the CSA that will be calling the shots on how this unfolds. Where sanctioning standards are concerned I think you will find that the OSA have been able to deviate from the national set of D3 standards when framing the requirements for the new league.
Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind - Albert Einstein
Actually I thought it was interesting. Thanks for bringing that up Blizz.
None of what you've just said changes the fact that you keep talking about a potential provincial league in a thread called "A workable national D3".
Can the CSA force the Provincial Associations into forming a league with their own criteria? Instead of the Provinces making their own things?
Of course if there is an actual situation where there are investors willing to invest already lined up
No, L1O means League 1 Ontario, as in OSA sanctioned, D-3 referred to CSA sanctioned third division or 'national' if looking at the thread title doesn't violate your 'block' list.
How is 'the conventional semi-pro' format not emphasizing player development? Are you saying it's better to pay the players nothing to make the same sacrifices for the same coaches on a smaller budget? Also, the leagues your talking about emerging are based on a semi pro format... (What exactly is L1O offering for player development that the CSL isn't hmm?). You 'forgot' to mention the CSL also has a youth development initiative (and actually existing reserve and U18 divisions) so why would you brag about a league that doesn't exist wanting to do the same thing (dishonest much)?
I could use the exact same rational to talk about CSL or the PLSQ 'hey! forget the topic, let's all talk about Ontario some more!'. Talking about L1O in this thread is an intentional waste of time, it immidiately invites a local CSL vs L1O debate ahead of the entire national topic (us FIRST!), were just ignoring everywhere else to argue Ontario soccer politics...again. If were going to assume the whole thing revolves around L1O, shouldn't that kind of assumption require a specific L1O thread? Talking about the CSL as the fulcrum for expansion is relatively useless in this thread (why talk about doing nothing until the CSL came to you?) while L1O still has to become a provincial league but we should learning from their example and approach to development??? This leaves me shocked that I have been accused of Strawman arguements...
He consistently repeats bad points (go back to the old thread if you want the old arguement), sometimes we name threads specifically to negate the need to hear a rehash of last topics' points (doesn't work), so here, he'll go mildly off topic talking to no one in paticular until the actual topic grinds to a halt.
How many pages of opposition has he posted on anything mildly related to a 'national division'? But here he is, in a thread he shouldn't even want to read, 'accidentaly' going off topic, again? On certain key topics (like a national division) you can't string more then a few posts together before he at the least, goes off topic or at worst repeats himself, lies or even dishonestly uses sources.
Finally, Orletafc, don't encourage me. And to everyone, sorry I went on and on again...
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As things stand D1 and D2 are a CSA level thing (currently outsourced to the USSF in the shape of MLS and NASL) but both the CSA and the provincial associations can sanction D3 level leagues. I think the CSA set the D3 sanctioning standards and have to OK it if a provincial association decides to deviate from the norm but not 100% sure.
One of the things I have always found surprising about the CSL after it moved from being an OSA to a CSA sanctioned league was that the provincial association in Quebec still seemed to be able to exercise a veto over whether new clubs from there could participate. Entry of a team in Quebec City was the ongoing saga on that.
The emergence of the new provincial D3 league in Quebec was probably the end where having a single national D3 structure is concerned in the absence of a radical shakeup of the division in repsonsibilities between the CSA and the provincial associations.
Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind - Albert Einstein
So long story short, your guessing? The PLSQ is a nationally sanctioned D-3. In this thread D-3 is not a level of play, it's an accredation from the CSA, your just redefining terms to rationalize going off topic. Of course you can talk about L1O if you change the definition of D-3, what's odd about one person unilaterally changing definations after 16 pages of posts (like thanks Shakespeare)...
Can you source any of this or are you just trying to make a dramatic spin on the creation of the PLSQ (bbtb has a habit of treating his guesses like facts).
Once again, the PLSQ is a National D-3, It could even create a east division with NB because... it's a national D-3. We never had a single national D-3 structure (CSL was always regional), so 'the end' your referring to is what exactly (more dramatics?)? Ontario and Quebec are already at the D-3 level anyway... On top of all that, the idea of doing this solely provincially makes no sense at all because any of the smaller provinces would be handicapped by their population when they could very easily work together through the CSA. You know that L1O will eventually want national d-3 accredation in like a decade so why are you wasting our time with backwards arguements you'll eventually discard?
Why do you insist on being half the conversation on a topic, who's basis you've long ago fundementally opposed. And why is it acceptable for him to 'accidentaly' go off topic in every national division topic that moves past his silly objections?
Last edited by Juby; 08-12-2012 at 12:27 PM.
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