You should know this man

**saso100** · 11-24-2011, 02:43 AM

You should know this man:http://tiny.cc/u0stm

**mserson** · 11-24-2011, 03:13 AM

Originally Posted by saso100

You should know this man: http://tiny.cc/u0stm

Ah yesss Stephan P Asshat, I know that man.

**socceronly** · 11-24-2011, 07:05 AM

I hope religious spam doesn't become the new thing.

I am always surprised there isn't more of it.

I can't imagine how he posted the wrong URL.... lol

**argh1** · 11-26-2011, 12:14 AM

Geez and for years I thought that Canadian soccer fans were the Jehovah Witnesses of Canadian sports. Little did I know.
How Bountiful to know religious freedom exists in Canada.

**Juby** · 11-26-2011, 08:45 AM

Originally Posted by argh1

Geez and for years I thought that Canadian soccer fans were the Jehovah Witnesses of Canadian sports. Little did I know.
How Bountiful to know religious freedom exists in Canada.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding your point, so sorry if I am but...

I'm not saying you should do anything active, but I generally frown at anyone actively trying to convert anyone. You'd save a lot of time, and do a far more effective job if you went around trying to encourage people to be good people through whatever pre-existing beliefs they have (as long as their not something like a 'hedonist').

Maybe I've read to much Kierkegaard but worrying about how a few labels turns religion into a numbers sport. Just empirically I would doubt the wisdom in looking to save people by changing their religions when the old religion/values wasn't the problem, it was the fact that they were ignoring them, it's great if they find their way by a big dramatic change to start over and try again but were in this does active conversion ever fit, who cares what they call themselves after?

I have no stomach to ever stop anyone who isn't being too aggressive (like street corner dudes or polite jehovah witness's or even this guy) but it just makes religion look like sport and business to be about numbers and teams (who cares if they haven't found their god if their good people (and if you don't know them, why assume poorly?)? shouldn't like every missionary live in a war zones and crime dens or go out looking for sinners and not pidgeon's?). Be proud, public and publically educational (I think they should put on a few kids specials for other religions on their holidays, whats the worst that could happen? we learn something about eachother, christmas stuff would no longer be contridictory as a norm then as an 'exception') about your religion but conversion should only come up if someone independently makes that decision and approaches you.

One final little hypothetical, assume god is whatever god you want, now assuming Deceased Person A is of that exact religion, and has converted ANY NUMBER (a million?) people, does that make okay if was a scum bucket in his private life? Of course not, he's just a talented salesman and a scum bucket. Changing someones religion isn't a 'good' like charity or defending the weak or helping the infirmed, it's like winning a debate here, sure theirs a lot of feelings going on but public safety, world wide hunger and war aren't involved (I'm saying aggressively converting ranges from ethically neutral with positve outcomes to being somewhat ethically dubious (as in who are you to suggest I need to change religions, maybe I should go to your house and ask you if you want to accept so and so into your heart, let's all waste our time keeping score etc).

edit: Personally i really don't want to have to deal with my or your religion at a soccer forum (although it could be tolerable in general off topic), these topics make my eyes roll automatically, as a former political scientist for example, I see all sorts of people who want to talk about Israel/Palestine, nothing makes me less interested (theirs literally a dozen of reasonable solutions for reasonable, and then off course a few groups of unreasonable people at both extremes who seem to think they can still 'win' something besides a kidney stone. And finally it seems to me it'd be more difficult to get together in numbers if we spent a ton of time worrying about each others religions and views on, relative to canadian soccer, useless topics (inclusionary after the main topic rather then exclusionary)

**socceronly** · 11-26-2011, 08:52 AM

Originally Posted by argh1

Geez and for years I thought that Canadian soccer fans were the Jehovah Witnesses of Canadian sports. Little did I know.
How Bountiful to know religious freedom exists in Canada.

Just in case you didn't get to it earlier... it was a link to a some Islamic religious thing... I changed it to Sam Harris.