Reply With QuoteBollo seen here after making his post:
Ottawa - the neglected
NO, I don't think any senior player now in Ottawa could 'walk onto' the senior team today - they had been neglected for too long and have slipped, but the fact that not one has been considered even for a petty try-out?! And the U-20 - I could be probably name half a dozen who should have been invited to try out, and a couple maybe could have made it. How come around 10 Vancouverites were given the opportunity to join the camps and not one from Ottawa?! I don't think Mitchell has even ever seen any Ottawa players! Or Yallop for his Olympic team! Not one of them is able to devise a comprehensive strategy that would allow them to see all good players. I have to admit quite a few of us up here are disappointed by Dale Mitchell, whom we remember as a prolific player. The impression we had was that he would not be yet another CSA appointee and marionette. And maybe he is not, but unfortunately, Ottawa has not made it onto his scouting radar and in that he is no different than all those before him.quote:Originally posted by brandon
do you seriously think that there are ANY players currently playing in the ottawa region that could walk onto the senior team? or the U-20 team for that matter?
This is exactly what you and your ignorant buddies should do - maybe we wouldn't be placed around rank 90 for decades now. Checked again - FIFA Coca Cola for Men's & Youth Feb 2007 rankings place Canada (population-30.7mln) at rank 87, ex equo with Albania (pop.3.5mln) and behind worn-torn Georgia (86.-5.4mln); Moldova (83.-4.4); Cape Verde Islands (78.-0.4); Qatar (77.-0.8); Cyprus (73.-0.78). Well behind other hockey nations like Finland (48.-5.2), Slovakia (33.-5.4) and the Czech Republic (9.-10.2).quote:Originally posted by brandon
get your head out of your a$$
Take your head out of yours and maybe you can smell it too. Something is definitely rotting in the state of CSA!
NT would be tough, they have been neglected for too long, altho still good enough to win CSL Open Canada Cup and the Canadian National Championship. As for the U-20 - we are talking mainly of players born in 87 & 88. Well, in both those age groups, Ottawa Fury had teams dominating Super-Y New England divisions! Some of those players with dual citizenships made it to the ODP in the US. St Anthonys 88s was a team that won a tournament in Italy and playing up in Tampa's Xmas Showcase. Nepean Hotspurs, Lyndon Hooper's club, have a powerful 87s squad. Today, many of the players are on various scholarships in the US or playing in Europe. Not one has ever been invited to try out for Mitchell's U-20!quote:Originally posted by loyola
We want names of Ottawa players who should be on the NT or the U-20 team.
Individual names - would have to ask the respective coaches, my picks could be subjective. The issue is - why no one in U-20 camp has taken any interest?
I agree though that Ottawa is a bit unfortunate by being part of OSA, which has never promoted players from the National Capital Region. In that aspect, players from Dieppe, NB are better off. Yes, Vladimir was from Ottawa, but at the time, players from Ottawa were welcome in the Outaouais, as were teams from Ottawa in Montreal leagues, which is no longer the case. Both Regional Association are totally inept in promotting their players. So if the National scouts do not make an effort, no chance!
Bollo seen here after making his post:
While I don't necessarily agree with Bollo's post, I can try to help identify some players:
1 - Craig Stead. He's a grade 11 student who was just invited to play with the Dallas Texans who are apparently a top youth club team in the US. He'd be a little young for the current U20 team though.
2 - Huffman Eja-Tabe. I think that's his name. I heard a lot about this guy but I don't know that much about him. I think he went on to play (sparingly) for the Lynx.
3 - About 3 or 4 months ago there was a big Ottawa Citizen article about this kid that was really telented. Don't remember the article completely but I think he went on trial somewhere. If I find the time, I'll do a search because I think it was posted here.
Those are the only names I can think of with regards to Ottawa soccer. I'm sure posters like Sigma or jordan would be able to shed more light on things as they seem to have their fingers more on the pulse.
Edit: The kid I was thinking of is Damien Merette who's still only 15 or 16. He's an NTC player and has played for Canada at the U15 level.
I remember that article too, he was a good hockey player and his dad was shocked he chose soccer...mom is brasilian i believe?
So i guess the trial (wherever it was) never panned out?
Here's my post in the other thread regarding this question:
We want names of Ottawa players who should be on the NT or the U-20 team.
"imagine what are your chances of being noticed in small town Canada"
Babineau from Dieppe is a good example of a guy from a small city in contention for a spot on the U-20 team. Also, in the last years I've notice that more guys come from provinces like Saskatchewan, NB, Nova Scotia find places on our National program, I think it's a result of the NTC's.
It's provincial teams coaches to do their job and scout the best players, a National team coach can't scout every cities in Canada.
I think one of the problem for a Ottawa kid wanting to play on the Ontario provincial team is the distance between Toronto. Most of the team is compose from players coming from Toronto or cities near by so it isn't easy for an Ottawa to attend all practices in Toronto. Residency programs would help but we're not there yet.
For logistic purposes I think Ottawa kids should try out for Quebec provincial team since Montreal is fairly close and I know it happened in the past (Vladimir Edouard and Ryan Cleary I think were from Ottawa),
Damien Merrette is captain of our U15s.
I did a search for the article (it's posted here so you can read it too if you want) and it didn't mention anything about a trial. I was mistaken. He's with the Ottawa Fury now.quote:Originally posted by jpg75
So i guess the trial (wherever it was) never panned out?
quote:Originally posted by loyola
For logistic purposes I think Ottawa kids should try out for Quebec provincial team since Montreal is fairly close and I know it happened in the past (Vladimir Edouard and Ryan Cleary I think were from Ottawa),
This actually sounds like a good idea. My assumtion would be that Quebec provincial teams are based in Montreal. Instead of crying about how the CSA ignores Ottawa , mabye we should be asking the question: why haven't kids followed in the footsteps of Vladimir Edouard and Ryan Cleary? Are there rules that prohibit players from playing for a province they don't reside in? would young players feel a sense of betrayal playing for Quebec provincial teams?
Ottawa has talent. I remember when my U16 club team played the Glouchester Hornets at King George in an exibition game. Dispite the fact that we had 8 or 9 players that played on the U15 provincial team the year before, we were outplayed and only managed to draw 1-1. I don't remember any names, but there were at least 3 players on that tean that would of made the Quebec U15 team I played the year before.
But mabye this isn't the right answer, allowing Ottawa players to play for Quebec provincal teams, simply because of the provincial pride that carries over in the National All-Star Compitition. What I would suggest however is one of two things:
a) Create a sixth NTC training center in Ottawa
b) Send Ottawa kids to the Quebec NTC
I think the latter is more realistic. Quebec kids would rather train with Ottawa kids at a national training center, as oppose seeing them repersenting Quebec in a tournment.
NTC are suppose to be hubs of convience, but ask yourself, which is more convient for a kid from Ottawa, training in Montreal or training in Toronto?
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Ed
Calgary
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Posted - 02/20/2007 : 11:20:10
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I just hope Canada does NOT play in Ottawa. Not a lot of support here for a team not built on skills or talent, but origins/home town. Not one player from Ottawa was ever invited to any of the U-20 try-outs, while at least 10 from the Dale Mitchell's Vancouver area made it. Ottawa is just as big a city, but apparently good enough only for dishing out the monies, not players.
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Two posts, and both containing the same crap.
Take your whining elsewhere.
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I think he has raised a legitimate point myself. I find it very odd that I have yet to see a male youth player from the Ottawa area in our youth / men's teams. The last that I recall was Lyndon Hooper almost 20 years ago. The Ottawa area has close to 1 million people (although under 2 difft jurisdictions - north or south of the river). How is it that they are not putting players into the men's player pool?
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Bollo
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Posted - 02/22/2007 : 01:06:32
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Take your whining elsewhere.
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It is not about whinning, but a system that is flawed. If the National coaches can afford to ignore one of major soccer centers, than something is definitely wrong. Ottawa-Hull is the fourth largest urban center in Canada! It is also the home not only of the Wizards, but 62 amateur soccer clubs, and a senior team from one of these clubs - Ottawa St Anthonys, has last year won the Ontario Cup Championship, the CSL Open Canada Cup, and the Canadian National Championship in Vancouver. Not one of these players has ever been part of an NTC or any National programs. Likewise, not one player from the region has ever been invited to try out for the U-20, and obviously none were selected. And we are talking of a major soccer center - imagine what are your chances of being noticed in small town Canada?! My point is - in such circumstances, we cannot be sure Dale Mitchell has assembled the cream of the crop!
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Originally posted by ED
The last that I recall was Lyndon Hooper almost 20 years ago. The Ottawa area has close to 1 million people (although under 2 difft jurisdictions - north or south of the river). How is it that they are not putting players into the men's player pool?.
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Yes, Lyndon Hooper is indeed from Ottawa, one of the few that made it to the National team and once there, has made quite an impact. "One of the most capped players in Canadian National Team history with 66 appearances between 1986-1998". He was noticed as a player of now defunct Ottawa Intrepid.
Ottawa and Western Quebec - probably closer to 1.2 million people! Yes, indeed two jurisdictions, both equally very inept in promoting their players, but very good in their own selfish ways! Parochial ignorants! But why aren't the National coaches ever scouting the region? The system is flawed and that is why we are ranked so low, at 82, between Panama and Iraq!!!!
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Edited by - Bollo on 02/22/2007 01:41:58
brandon
abbotsford
Canada
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Posted - 02/22/2007 : 09:57:04
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do you seriously think that there are ANY players currently playing in the ottawa region that could walk onto the senior team? or the U-20 team for that matter? these teams are comprised of the best players from the entire country the vast majority of which play in Europe not the world renowned Ottawa St Anthonys football club. get your head out of your a$$ and stop blaming mitchell and the csa for ignoring amateurs from the ottawa region.
loyola
quebec city
Canada
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Posted - 02/22/2007 : 10:13:54
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Take your whining elsewhere.
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It is not about whinning, but a system that is flawed. If the National coaches can afford to ignore one of major soccer centers, than something is definitely wrong. Ottawa-Hull is the fourth largest urban center in Canada! It is also the home not only of the Wizards, but 62 amateur soccer clubs, and a senior team from one of these clubs - Ottawa St Anthonys, has last year won the Ontario Cup Championship, the CSL Open Canada Cup, and the Canadian National Championship in Vancouver. Not one of these players has ever been part of an NTC or any National programs. Likewise, not one player from the region has ever been invited to try out for the U-20, and obviously none were selected. And we are talking of a major soccer center - imagine what are your chances of being noticed in small town Canada?! My point is - in such circumstances, we cannot be sure Dale Mitchell has assembled the cream of the crop!
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The last that I recall was Lyndon Hooper almost 20 years ago. The Ottawa area has close to 1 million people (although under 2 difft jurisdictions - north or south of the river). How is it that they are not putting players into the men's player pool?.
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Yes, Lyndon Hooper is indeed from Ottawa, one of the few that made it to the National team and once there, has made quite an impact. "One of the most capped players in Canadian National Team history with 66 appearances between 1986-1998". He was noticed as a player of now defunct Ottawa Intrepid.
Ottawa and Western Quebec - probably closer to 1.2 million people! Yes, indeed two jurisdictions, both equally very inept in promoting their players, but very good in their own selfish ways! Parochial ignorants! But why aren't the National coaches ever scouting the region? The system is flawed and that is why we are ranked so low, at 82, between Panama and Iraq!!!!
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We want names of Ottawa players who should be on the NT or the U-20 team.
"imagine what are your chances of being noticed in small town Canada"
Babineau from Dieppe is a good example of a guy from a small city in contention for a spot on the U-20 team. Also, in the last years I've notice that more guys come from provinces like Saskatchewan, NB, Nova Scotia find places on our National program, I think it's a result of the NTC's.
It's provincial teams coaches to do their job and scout the best players, a National team coach can't scout every cities in Canada.
I think one of the problem for a Ottawa kid wanting to play on the Ontario provincial team is the distance between Toronto. Most of the team is compose from players coming from Toronto or cities near by so it isn't easy for an Ottawa to attend all practices in Toronto. Residency programs would help but we're not there yet.
For logistic purposes I think Ottawa kids should try out for Quebec provincial team since Montreal is fairly close and I know it happened in the past (Vladimir Edouard and Ryan Cleary I think were from Ottawa),
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Cheeta
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