Reply With QuoteSeeing as he has started early games then not made the bench in successive seasons, this could mean decent playing time. If he plays...
jaime peters loan
i just found this article about Peters being available on loan.
http://www.eveningstar.co.uk/content...A24%3A39%3A743
Seeing as he has started early games then not made the bench in successive seasons, this could mean decent playing time. If he plays...
I wonder how bad an experience he had at Kaiserslautern. I am unimpressed with the development of many of our players in England. I only hope he and Ryan Gyaki get some playing time somewhere this season or they will basically have wasted a very important year.
It's harsh to say they'd waste a year. They are with decent clubs but I think they'd benefit from a loan.
I wonder how bad an experience he had at Kaiserslautern. I am unimpressed with the development of many of our players in England. I only hope he and Ryan Gyaki get some playing time somewhere this season or they will basically have wasted a very important year.
It's harsh to say they'd waste a year. They are with decent clubs but I think they'd benefit from a loan.
quote:Originally posted by Ed
I am unimpressed with the development of many of our players in England.
Funny, that was my exact thought when I first read this story. Aside from Germany, I cannot think of any Canuck who has gone to England and really progressed in their career. I can't help but think how much better, Peters' long term progress might have been and how our national teams might have benefitted had he opted to join the the development sides of those EPL sides ( eg.: Chelsea and Man U) that courted him instead of the quick money you get from joining a tier two side. I said so at that time as well. Your right, nobody really progresses in England. Furthermore, I seem to recall a stronger performaces from Paul Stalteri when I saw him in a Breman uniform the few times we got to see him on TV on FSWC or CL on TSN.
I suspect that that is problem when Canadians go over to the UK. The game is so well supported in England that even the second teir clubs can afford to pay a good wage. Hence, these youth side players cant resist the urge of the quick buck of signing with clubs like Ipswich instead of getting more development under the umbrella of the more "known" clubs like Chelsea. Hence the canadian national programs suffer as a result. Nothing develops you for the international game more than playing with an against international players. Had he opted for the Chelsea offer where would be be going if they needed to loan him out?
My views have come full circle on this " cheering our players to go to europe" business. I think that we will start seeing better results when we have all of our national team players staying in North America and earning their income here
For one, what English Championship do you follow?? The CCC that I follow is full of internationals from all over the world. And they have unrestricted access to the league in terms of players/team, etc. It's actually the MLS that has heaps of regulations that limited the number of internationals playing in the league. Thus you's have a worse chance of playing against internationals if as a player you opted for the MLS, and of course you would virtually no chance of playing againt anybody, let alone internationals, if you were a Jaime Peters on the books at a Chelsea.quote:Originally posted by Free kick
quote:Originally posted by Ed
I am unimpressed with the development of many of our players in England.
Funny, that was my exact thought when I first read this story. Aside from Germany, I cannot think of any Canuck who has gone to Europe and really progressed in their career. I can't help but think how much better, Peters' long term progress might have been and how our national teams might have benefitted had he opted to join the the development sides of those EPL sides ( eg.: Chelsea and Man U) that courted him instead of the quick money you get from joining a tier two side. I said so at that time as well. Your right, nobody really progresses in England. Furthermore, I seem to recall a stronger performaces from Paul Stalteri when I saw him in a Breman uniform the few times we got to see him on TV on FSWC or CL on TSN.
I suspect that that is problem when Canadians go over to the UK. The game is so well supported in England that even the second teir clubs can afford to pay a good wage. Hence, these youth side players cant resist the urge of the quick buck of signing with clubs like Ipswich instead of getting more development under the umbrella of the more "known" clubs like Chelsea. Hence the canadian national programs suffer as a result. Nothing develops you for the international game more than playing with an against international players. Had he opted for the Chelsea offer where would be be going if they needed to loan him out?
My views have come full circle on this " cheering our players to go to europe" business. I think that we will start seeing better results when we have all of our national team players staying in North America and earning their income here
For another, if North America helped develop pro players then the MLS would have helped the Americans progress far further then they have. In fact, the majority of their backbone players were moulded in Europe, many of them in England, in leagues like the CCC. Show me one shred of evidence that the MLS players who stayed at home to earn their income (wtf - what income?? haven't you seen the salary lists for the MLS??) have developed much better than if they had gone abroad. Anecdotal at best. And its hard to draw conclusions from the Canadian situation anyways because a) we have so few clubs in the NA leagues and b) we have such a small study sample compared to the US.
Do people really think that Toronto MLS (or that the other three or four spots given to Canadians in their league)is going to be our saviour?? Scary, scary, scary...
In a word - no.quote:Originally posted by nolando
Do people really think that Toronto MLS (or that the other three or four spots given to Canadians in their league)is going to be our saviour?? Scary, scary, scary...
It (Toronto MLS) can't hurt though....
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Originally posted by Free kick
"Funny, that was my exact thought when I first read this story. Aside from Germany, I cannot think of any Canuck who has gone to Europe and really progressed in their career. I can't help but think how much better, Peters' long term progress might have been and how our national teams might have benefitted had he opted to join the the development sides of those EPL sides ( eg.: Chelsea and Man U) that courted him instead of the quick money you get from joining a tier two side. I said so at that time as well. Your right, nobody really progresses in England."
Surely this statement needs to be qualified? (and thats being charitable!!). Craig Forrest, Jason DeVos, Paul Peschisolido and Jim Brennan (developed by Bristol City as a youth player) all progressed very well in England. Even our other Canadian Gold Cup icon Carlo Corazzin didn't do so badly in his day.
These players actually did something in a Canadian shirt and also made more than a fair amount of money from the English paying customer.
When you allow vitriolic Nationalistic partizanship to dominate your arguments you tend to lose all credibility as a soccer pundit Free kick and Ed.
If you read my post it was not a blanket statement. There are 0 players in your list that were developed past the 90's. I am quite aware that those players you mentioned went over at a young age and established fairly nice careers. However, since the late 90's, you could say that Iain Hume would be a good example of a player who has progressed. I'd be hard pressed to name anybody else, other than David Edgar, in that regard. IMHO, here is a list of players whose careers have basically gone south or at least not progressed upon moving to the UK, in no particular order:
Russel Huggon, Emilio Bottiglieri - a couple of years at Hibs reserves - disappeared - playing city league in BC.
Jaime Peters - he's had some physical improvement in the last 2 years but I think he could have done better.
Ryan Gyaki - still on the bubble.
Kevin McKenna - spent 2-3 years in Edinburgh and was desperate to get out to get his career back on track.
Lars Hirschfeld - high profile signing at Tottenham led to his career almost being derailed.
Eliot Godfrey - hasn't made any impact after being identified as a promising youth player
and
Terry Dunfeld - poster boy for a career going up in smoke.
I have no love for the English pro scene, seeing as they treat us as 2nd or 3rd class citizens in terms of football opportunities and try to poach our players regularly, but I also don't see my views as 'Nationalistic partizanship[sic]'?
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