Toronto FC try outs - media reaction

[john tv]

I am extremely delighted to see the media reaction so far. I have not been to the soccer center and I wonder if any of our guys went or even tried out.Just like to get some feedback.I am extremely delighted with the media reaction and I am finally feeling that soccer is here to stay and that we will have an enormous blast at the BMO. Hey our dreams are being dealt with and I feel very very strongly that this is impossible to reverse. We just seem to have gathered enough strength to avoid any further media bias.I feel that the media have a huge problem to deal with and I wonder which media guru will be the first one to jump ship,I wonder who will be the first one to show up at the next media conference other than some rookies. We are here to stay and flourish and the media barons will have to come up with some ingenious way to again put the fear into Canadian parents.Who will jump ship first, any predictions?

[john tv]

We will see. Sofar none of the biggies have been at any of the TFC media conferences. Heck even the rookies are just that.I wonder what talk show will incorporate a soccer guy and I wonder how much it will hurt these guys to have to talk soccer.We will see. I suppose some crash courses would be advisable as well.

[Bertuzzi44]

quote:Originally posted by john tv

I am extremely delighted to see the media reaction sofar. I have not been to the soccer center and I wonder if any of our guys went or even tried out.Just like to get some feedback.I am extremely delighted with the media reaction and I am finally feeling that soccer is here to stay and that we will have an enormous blast at the BMO. Hey our dreams are being dealt with and I feel very very strongly that this is impossible to reverse. We just seem to have gathered enough strenght to avoid any further media bias.I feel that the media have a huge problem to deal with and I wonder which media guru will be the first one to jump ship,I wonder who will be the first one to show up at the next media conference other than some rookies. We are here to stay anf floorish and the media barrons will have to come up with some ingenious wayd to aagain put the fear into Canadian parents.Who will jump ship first, any predictions?


John you do have a valid point about a media bias in this country against soccer, especially Canadian soccer. Hopefully our national team, as well as TFC, can have some succsess and help to change some peoples minds. That way we might be able to see some positive reaction and not just the usual negetivity.

[john tv]

Wow finally some support from one of our guys. Feels good and very timely. Yes indeed it has been a disaster sofar and as it stands right now things are about to change and we can join the rest of the world as having soccer accepted as a major if not the major sport in Canada.I still wonder why it never was the case,since the rest of the world act,enjoys and feel that way.It is about time that we can appreciate the little guys shining instead of all that height or bulk.Anyway i am so delighted to see this obvious breakthrough developing and as i said before who will be first of the big boys to break away from that nasty habit of ignoring or belittling Canadian soccer.I do feel a little sorry for these guys they tried so hard and than this change,some bullit!

[speedmonk42]

There is no media bias.

There also is no such thing as news.

They run a business and say what they are paid to say. Directly or indirectly.

[john tv]

They are paid what to say? Wow you got that right! Yes there is a tremendous media bias. It is sickening how bad it is.But it will change and in fact the writing is on the wall already.We are on our way as speedy as possible and no monk can stop us.They can pray allright, i wonder how that would work anyway.

[john tv]

I am just so happy after all these years(31) at least to realize that this is the real thing.This real thing is the awareness among the media that soccer is part of our Canadian fibric,that we are part of the big world picture and that the guys behind it are no push over, this is for real and this is a money thing,big time. The media ,the guys that have been fighting this development for years and i can assure you that this resentment against our sport was not only on the reporters desk ,but more importantly also the composing room. The room were decisions are made,in or out. The inns sometimes had the palms of their hands greased and our poor soccer reporter was left wondering what happened.
This dangerous play will have to be stopped,it is to big to screw around with.
So any kind of mouth,loud small or big no longer will be able to muzzle what we want,need,deserve and have the full rights to.The media will be torn apart and they will be rightfully demand what happened in the composing room,hey this is big time,MLSE and these guys have huge clouds.To big to f.... with.
So the chips are forming their frontal attack and it seems that this is an unstoppable and very exciting development.Yes I am having fun and yes I wonder if LM will come to grips with the potential collapse of the anti soccer media. I believe they will and my question will be who will fall first.

[Elias]

I'm not sure what most of you are mumbling about, but I've been impressed by the amount of coverage TFC has received the last few days. There's been stories in the Hamilton daily, the Kitchener daily, plus obviously the Toronto media. I've heard the TFC tryouts mentioned on a few radio stations, and I'm sure there's been more.

There's stories about Canadian soccer in December, in the mainstream press... when has that ever happened before? TFC tryouts are getting more press than what fourth-liner the Leafs should trade.

It's ironic *cough* that a completely meaningless tryout that they won't find one half-decent player, is getting more press then 10 years of Toronto Lynx soccer. Maybe it's not ironic, maybe just people who know what they're doing.

[Sigma]

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[john tv]

I have read and heard stories about kids coming from all over the world. Hey if nothing less they will be impressed with the facilities and full seize indoor soccer field and complex.It would be nice if a great story will develop. As I said I am delighted so far with the TFC media and hope this will continue.At the same time I am reading stories about the state of our hockey and primarily the state of hockey in the US. They are talking about rule and other changes.We live in a very volatile world and I hope this gets straighten out as well.

[fan]

There was excellent media coverage for soccer in Canada right up untill about 1985 or so. Then the CSA systematically took over control and weeded out support from private entities and substantially wealthy soccer fans in our country.The power struggle ended soon after and the CSA had complete autonomy and there was no more attempts by private, corporate or media sectors to engage with the CSA or soccer in Canada.
This wasnt some kind of sport prejudice solely by the media against soccer.
The CSA made it so difficult, frustrating, and ludicrously expensive to engage with any soccer matter in Canada.This is one of the biggest things Linford will have to change if he wants sponsorship by the private sector.
There are a lot of enthusiastic soccer fans who are wealthy and influential people who cant stand the CSA because of their past interaction with them.

Thank goodness the Maple leafs are involved because they are the only entitty strong and smart enough to change some of the huge animosity these people have towards soccer.So you will seee some major improvement and media coverage now but for how long I am not sure.

But Linford needs to pull off the shackles of beurocracy and open up the gates of support without the ludicrous financial and egotistical strings webbing the entrance.There is no way out of this unless the powers that be see that this change is very evidently present.
These feelings and animosities were developed and cultivated by the CSA and a change of heart and attitude needs to be nurtured by everyone in the CSA.
You need to reconsider accusing the media and others for their lack of passion or enthusiasm towards soccer in Canada and start asking Linford and the CSA what there doing to encourage the relationships.

[argh1]

quote:Originally posted by john tv

At the same time I am reading stories about the state of our hockey and primarely the state of hockey in the US. They are talking about rule and other changes.We live in a very volatile world and I hope this gets straighten out as well.

Worry pas John hockey will die in our generation and the media will have to cover soccer as it'll be the only Canadian sport left. ;)
Hockey never was or will be huge in the States. They just have lotsa..I mean lotsa money. So NHL will keep suckin' up.
But I'm glad your happy with the media so far with TFC. Although to be honest I haven't seen much on my TV or local papers about "our" national pro soccer team. If I didn't visit this board I'd have never heard of TFC[}:)]
The word about TFC just ain't gettin' out to the Boonies in Canada John.

[john tv]

I have been made aware of the shortcomings of the CSA when it comes to soccer and the media.But I am only speaking of the pro sports soccer teams when criticizing these fantom guys. An area that really does not include the CSA at all.In my years as the Blizzard pr guy and the North York Rockets it never ever crossed my mind or was expected to see the CSA involved and or be part of the promotion of any event.
I would like to have seen the CSA appoint local media guys that had a closer contact with the localites and in events such as the national team. I often was not a happy camper since I always felt that I could have done a better job at it.So the National teams a very big maybe,but on the pro side a no.
I still believe that my idea to appoint a local PR guy to promote the National teams is a very good one.It seems easier the personal contacts are established and the working relationship much easier, never mind the distances involved and time differences as well.
That would be my recommendations to the CSA and Linford in particular.
I believe with the cloud of TFC it would even be a good idea to have them promote any event involving our MNT or WNT.They could charge back the expenses to the CSA and I am sure that this would be an extremely professional job and certainly would please the TFC as well knowing that the PR is fully covered and don't have to worry about distances availability and personalities as well. Plus they will have eastablishes all the proper contacts including all media and clubs etc.

[fan]

I only wish the new "CSA" think even a little bit like you John. But they have a lot of bridges to build.

[morrison]

I just want to comment on something I found kind of funny on TSN last night.
They were doing some top 5 or 10 moments of the year
at #2 was the Zidane head butt, I didn't stick around to see what was #1, but honestly what could beat their #2? It might've been something in the olympics, but that'd be purely from a canadian perspective.

anyway, not that they didn't have good points as their comments could've applied to any sport, but I sort of laughed when you had Glen Healy, Brian burke, that nfl prediction guy, discussing this incident. I just found it amusing. I'd equivalate that sort of attention to the american media taking notice of the Bertuzzi shot on Moore.

[john tv]

I also watched McGowan last night giving it to soccer big time His just about hatred for soccer is revolting and he expressed that very clearly.I thought that Steven Brunt looked a little embarressed as well.
One day this jerk will be brought to his senses.Why is he allowed to occupy this position showing his extreme negative feelings about soccer. I guess the only answer is that his viewers share his observations as well.

[dbailey62]

quote:Originally posted by john tv

I also watched McGowan last night giving to soccer big time His just about hatred for soccer is revolting and he expressed that very clearly.I thought that Steven Brunt looked a little embarressed as well.
One day this jerk will be brought to their senses.Why is he allowed to occupy this position showing his extreme negative feelings about soccer. i guess the only answer is that his viewers share his observations as well.


Obviously his few on soccer is annoying but that aside, his show is the finest sports radio program on the air in Toronto. It's a quality item with quality guests.

.... and obviously his viewers / listeners don't share his view as if they did, none of us would be watching / listening to his programs and this topic of discussion wouldn't exist.

db

[john tv]

will post after the hgame

[Johnnie Monster]

Let's call this what it is... a shameless money making exercise with some pre-planned media benefits.

[Ivan]

quote:Originally posted by Johnnie Monster

Let's call this what it is... a shameless money making exercise with some pre-planned media benefits.




Exactly what soccer needs in Canada. Good on TFC. Hopefully, the Caps and Impact are taking notes.

[Cheeta]

quote:Originally posted by Johnnie Monster

Let's call this what it is... a shameless self-promotion exercise with some pre-planned money making benefits.




Fixed your post.

[Rudi]

quote:Originally posted by Johnnie Monster

Let's call this what it is... a shameless money making exercise with some pre-planned media benefits.
From the huge amount of media attention it got here in Toronto, I'd saythere was nothing "shameless" about it.

[loyola]

It seems that we have some jealousy in the air.....TFC isn't the first pro club to offer that kind of tryouts and they did well getting some media attention.

Now the real test will be on the field but so far they look professionnal in their organisation. I hope they'll sign a few more canadians internationals before the start of the season.

[john tv]

Being the self proclaimed largest Toronto media basher,I was the one who recognized that this TFC team is going to change the face of soccer and it's acceptance among these anti soccer gurus. I don't call it being annoyed more or less downright piss..o.and this Bobby baby will fall as will others. The soccer writing is on the wall and since we live in a society were money talks this bias will disappear.If not we Voyageurs could be guilty of letting it happen,which I doubt very much.
As far as these try outs I feel that it is a little suspect but I have seen so many scemes from other sports that it does not matter. If they just find one I guess the question is why was he not recognized sooner. I suppose somebody is going to strenghten the communications among all coaches and certainly betweeen the variuos Universities and colleges in Canada.
I agree that not only signing Canadians but put all the emphasis on Canadian players.When I look at that list we publish regulary hey we seem to have hundreds of well qualified Canadian players .I wonder if Mo is aware of the stats we are keeping.I guess we should e-mail this thing or I suppose since Paul is reading this board as well and he is aware of all of them I suppose.
Another three months and this thing is for real and that stadium is going to be a magnet second to none in Canada and Bobby will be sweating it out,McGowan that is.
I already feel sorry for that guy,such an effen looser!

Merry Xmas guys and the above lines are Xmas presents in the making for the new year so all the best we deserve it big time.

[Canuck Oranje]

First, I disagree that the media has any bias against soccer. It´s all about business and if Canadian soccer becomes good business, the media will be there to take advantage. The media does not lead, it follows.

MLSE´s participation is important to Canadian soccer because it is a professional sports entertainment business. It has a solid reputation for making money and that´s why the Ontario Teachers Pension Plan is involved with them. If they can make money in Canadian soccer, there will be other investors who will jump in with other teams as well.

About open tryouts, it is very common here in Sao Paulo for professional clubs to hold open tryouts. It is said that Kaka joined Sao Paulo FC´s professional ranks at 13 through an open tryout. However, in his case, I doubt he was unknown as his parents were members (and probably still are) of the parent athletic club. Open tryouts are common because, outside of Sao Paulo FC, clubs don´t have money to run fully developed youth systems and it is far easier (and less expensive) to grab a few 18 year olds when they are closer to being developed. Having said that, the big clubs do monitor players in the city and each has its own network of loyal club supporters who will make them aware if they are not.

[john tv]

Well it is very well known among every soccer fan that the media has been a very big problem over the years.Can't think of any who does not feel this way.These try outs are indeed a very big thing in Holland and Ajax among orher clubs are well known to promote and advertise their try outs. This applies to very young players and housing and schooling will be provided if they qualify. I suppose Jonathan Deguzman is a prime example with Feyenoord.
I guess the TFC tryouts were geared towards the older players since a youth system as in Europe does not "yet" exist.
I wonder if TFC are adopting the same youth phylosophy as all the other world teams have. I hope they will and find some way to develop their own home grown players. At the time of the Blizzard we had a second team,which was very usefull for many reasons.

[fan]

Johntv "I have been made aware of the shortcomings of the CSA when it comes to soccer and the media.But I am only speaking of the pro sports soccer teams when criticizing these fantom guys. An area that really does not include the CSA at all."

The two are unfortunately bound tightly.And the CSA has made sure nothing goes on professional or amateur without their hands in the pot. By itself I have no problem and encourage the CSA getting a piece. The individuals who control the CSA have demonstrated such ludicrous avarice and autonomy, it has caused huge rifts and gaps between themselves the media and the big money.

Go and ask any soccer fan in Canada with money JohnTV who has dealt with the CSA they will tell you first hand why soccer in Canada is curtailed so vigilantly.The same reason any young player with talent leaves Canada to ensure they dont have to deal with the CSA is the same reason money and media dont deal with the CSA either.

And I reiterate:
You need to reconsider accusing the media and others for their lack of passion or enthusiasm towards soccer in Canada and start asking Linford and the CSA what there doing to encourage the relationships.

[john tv]

As I have said before soccer is still a minority sport as well as a threat against the N.A. sports. This crazy thing, to think that these feelings exist,but they do.I can truthfully say that all my Canadian friends and workers are not interested in soccer at all.I mean not even one of them.Maybe you guys have a different experience,but this is mine.Even my son who played a lot of soccer ,knows my passion etc,could not careless,hey it is football,basketball while baseball and hockey to a lesser extend and so are his friends.
I don't know what the CSA can do about that. I believe it is a matter of time before we can see that exposure,acceptance and even areal part of our sports fabric.
The CSA is located in Ottawa and I have said this before that maybe they should consider setting up a network of media guys in all the major cities ,rather than trying to run this from Ottawa.
The CSA is not involved in the direct promotion of pro soccer and I don't believe they have a mandate or manpower to do so.I believe that it is strictly up to the pro teams to look after the inns and outs,marketing,advertising and promotions.
It would be very helpfull for the CSA to keep track of all our boys abroad and I have suggested that the likes of Lensky and Edgar maybe the CSA could develop some plan to highlite or keep the media informed,just being the angle as a player of the National team.
We still have a very long way to go and watching McGowan last night seing that intense dislike of our game and him having this high popularity it is still a very rockey road ahead.I also do believe that we have turned that corner and not even those that are in the media and feel the same way as Mcgowan can stop it any longer.

[VPjr]

JohnTV, where I work, there is a ton of passionate soccer fans, although I can honestly say that most of them have only modest interest in Canadian soccer. Many of them are intrigued by TFC coming to town and the construction of BMO Field. They will also watch the odd MNT match but often feel disappointed by the quality of the play compared to what they are used to watching from Italy, France, UK, etc...

as for Bob McCowan, don't pay any attention to him. He is popular (I listen to him nightly) but his whole anti-soccer position is mostly for show. He feeds off the hatred soccer fans have for him and he then plays up the anti-soccer thing even more. The man is a radio "personality". His position on soccer has never made me waver from my passion. The people who agree with him will likely never love the game anyway and he makes the true footie fans more passionate because the feel the game is under attack.

[john tv]

I don't know of anyone in my circles who watches EPL soccer.I feel like a real odd ball even trying to bring it up,The ones that watch our game are always born outside Canada.My drinking buddies and there are about 10 to 15 guys I see weekly only one is a soccer fan and a leeds fan because he was born there.It just does not exist so far.I do believe that maybe secretly they may wonder what is happening and may even watch our game trying to understand it. Yes it is vitally important that we feature our own Canadian team. All these write ups and exposure of our MNT players and the upcoming u-20 will be the chance of a life time to turn this around. I also really whish that Jonathan would be part of our team. I have always taken the viewpoint that he decides and that I will respect his choice,but I also would love to see him and Lensky out there.This would be so magic our Feyenoord midield. Hey even Holland will be cheering for us big time and the media will be here as well.The potential is enormous and the team will be the strongest team ever on paper and the timing of it all as wel as the place all dream stuff.It will be amazing this summer and even those that I know and drink with will be watching and cheering for our team in a sold out in red stadium.I am hoarse allready.

[bettermirror]

Froth at the mouth to think of our midfield possibilities for u20.

Lensky (Feyenoord)
De Guzman (Feyenoord)
Peters (Ipswich)
Johnson (Heerenveen)

exciting stuff.

Reality? *shrug*

[john tv]

Hey guys you may not be aware of this but you are in the middle of a king size revolution.The media bastions that fought the emergence of soccer are collapsing. They are on the run,believe me.Must be the charm or utter determination of Lissel.These guys at MLSE are using their immense power and the media knowing that power are surrendering.We are going to have a ball big time.All we have to do is to organize to make this one amazing experience.Singing is the heart and sole of soccer.
In case you are wondering why I seem so exhited,well there was that article in the Star that told me a thousand stories,it is happening finally. Woopie!!!

[john tv]

Garth is at it again,Woolsey the Toronto Star and former soccer writer that is.

He wrote,Americans don't produce many star soccer players,either,which may explain why they mostly don't give a damn about that sport,too....
I am feeling woozy,is there an antidote for Beckham feever?
--

He is his old Wooz-sly allright.

The headline of his column

EURO-BASHING CHERRY HAS SOME T.V. COMPANY.

SUB TITLE
NHL NEEDS FEWER EUROS,REAUGH SAYS.

It goes on,Damn those Europeans ,they're ruining hockey!

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Well well,I guess the haters are still fighting ,using whatever they can get away with.

[john tv]

Not a word about TFC in the papers this week end.

[Loud Mouth Soup]

quote:Originally posted by john tv

Not a word about TFC in the papers this week end.


And this matters...why? What exactly did they do to warrant some major, full-page story, in your opinion?

[Jeffery S.]

Read somewhere that Galaxy is also going to do open trials soon. Think I read that they will ask 120 bucks to try out. Wonder if this is inspired in the media reaction and financial benefits of the Toronto experience, or if it is a normal thing to do, do open trials so that S. Cal. kids might realistically have a chance of playing alongside Beckham in a few months? Sounds a bit dubious to me, and not very up front.

[VPjr]

I think you will find that many MLS teams will do open tryouts now that thye are required to build academies. They can get some publicity and identify local talent on the cheap (rather than having to send scouts out to all sorts of local men's and youth league matches/practices).

I am willing to bet that TFC identified 10-20 potential academy players (if not more) out of their tryouts. Mo actually indicated on the Fan590 this week that he drafted Richard Assante as a result of his performance at the open tryout but could not say anything because he was available in the Superdraft.

[john tv]

Stop defending the media LM you look like a fool! as usual.Who are you, are you being paid to do your sleazy job,or I am curious how you would worm yourself out of this one!Grow up.

[L.T.]

John, check your pill box, are there still little yellow ones in your Sunday slot?

[john tv]

Is this lmt or something. I am sick and tired of people trying to defend that effen madia.So don't get me started ,pills or no pils, anything intelligent to say ok lets' have it.For starters why no media at all this week end.There were several media releases and or stories could be found. All we got is that racoon stuff from Woolsey crap.We have to stand up guys this is what is what it is all about. We have to be in the media. It is bad enough that soccer central disappeared and I am stunned that not one of you even said a word. You should be all ashamed of yourselves. The voice of soccer gone and not an effen word. I suppose LM must be in his heaven.

[VPjr]

John, while I won't defend the Toronto media's treatment of soccer, I will say that the loss of Soccercentral is not that big of a deal in my view because it was basically nothing more than a highlight show and Fox Sports World does a better job of it with their nightly report.

I know for a fact though that Sportsnet is still going to be running soccer feature stories that will air on Sportsnet Connected. Gerry Dobson and Craig Forrest are in the UK right now filming a bunch of features that will start airing in the next few weeks. I know one of the stories will be about David Edgar...not sure about the other stories but Dobson said he was going to be in Englad for 5 days so I imagine they will do more than a single story on Edgar in 5 days.

Also MoJo said that last Wednesday, TFC hosted a media meet 'n greet and they had a very good turnout and he says that he is quite pleased with the overall media treatment TFC has received. MLSE knows how to treat the media (Step 1: keep them well fed and they will be subservient) and I am pretty sure that, long term, the Toronto media will be supportive, especially if the stadium is full and the product on the field is good.

[Loud Mouth Soup]

quote:Originally posted by john tv

Stop defending the media LM you look like a fool! as usual.Who are you, are you being paid to do your sleazy job,or I am curious how you would worm yourself out of this one!Grow up.


So, the media should just make up stuff in order to fulfill your demand for X percentage of daily soccer coverage, otherwise they're conspiring to kill soccer in Canada?

You get angry over the simplest of questions. Can you answer my previous one?

[john tv]

You are getting the drift,slow but surely. There were some announcements regarding TFC and not a word and yes we demand that we are being informed dailey. I am sick and tired of all that meaningless USA poo hah. It is not what we need or want. We want dailey info on TFC.I am so convinced that you are that wollf and that coat. Who the f. are you, do I have to smoke you out. Sofar yoyur responses have been typical dancing lessons,who are you LM I will stay on top of you as long as it takes because I know!

[Loud Mouth Soup]

Know what?

As for dancing, you still haven't answered my original question. What big announcement warranted a big story? Ibrahim? That was Thursday. Friday paper material.

Season tickets at 11,000? Even you, with your PR 'expertise', should know that a release has to have a hook, meaning, relevancy, or an actual story in order to receive consideration for publication. I'm sure Michelle Lissel also understands this.

[Rudi]

quote:Originally posted by Loud Mouth Soup

Know what?

As for dancing, you still haven't answered my original question. What big announcement warranted a big story? Ibrahim? That was Thursday. Friday paper material.

There was a decent-sized story in the Toronto Star on Friday about the Ibrahim acquisition.

The Toronto media have embraced TFC, with good coverage of all of the team's signings so far. I'm sure as the season gets closer we will see more coverage, but right now there isn't much to cover.

[Loud Mouth Soup]

quote:Originally posted by Rudi

The Toronto media have embraced TFC, with good coverage of all of the team's signings so far. I'm sure as the season gets closer we will see more coverage, but right now there isn't much to cover.



Precisely.

And I thank you, Rudi.

[john tv]

Thank you for what. I said the week end and zilch is that clear,zilch.

[L.T.]

Nothing about the Jays either - It's a conspiracy I tells ya!!!

[john tv]

Pages about that guy Thomas.

[Loud Mouth Soup]

I think it was a media conspiracy that brought down the Toronto Phantoms.

[Rudi]

quote:Originally posted by john tv

Thank you for what. I said the week end and zilch is that clear,zilch.

John, there was nothing to report.

Would you have the media make stories up just to appease your appetite for TFC?

[Jeffery S.]

The team has released the pre-season schedule, it is on the website. But not exactly big news, especially as everything will happen elsewhere except training.

Looks a bit thin on friendlies vs. strong teams, and don't see any home friendlies. Is that because the stadium won't be ready until the season actually starts? Will there not be an inaugural friendly, or will they wait for the first home league match?

[mlsintoronto]

the scheduled friendlies at this point are thin its true. We'll pick some up along the way. There are other teams training nearby - often these arrangements are made in the pub the night before...

[john tv]

Rudi baseball,football,basketball and Hockey are always in the media. Hey if he is a druggy that will do.There are so many stories to be told if you want them. Rudi I know. I am counting the days in between articles. Sofar it appears that TFC gets great a response on the media conferences only. We need more.Maybe I maybe wrong but I can assure you I have been through this road and I know the media better than they know themselves when it comes to soccer.Rudi the media does not like soccer.They know how many phone calls they get,they know the letters they get and they know the impact of advertisers,the marketing guys and they know how the average Canadian feels about soccer and it ain't always nice and they know MLSE.( I tried to show how many kids that represent Canada have Canadian parents and you know the answer)It is like that across the board. We have to win over the average Canadian.
I think we should start a media watch on this board and ensure that we get equal treatment and that we should set the guidelines based upon the other sports media coverage.
I did start this as TFC on these tryouts and we should keep this alive. We must make sure we have the media pay attention. As a side note I spoke to Lissel and I mentioned the word media and she sounded frustrated already. Never asked any questiones but I knew. So I guess this media "the net" can be a god sent for all of us.We should plan to use it to support TFC,she can't do it alone,I know!

[Rudi]

John,

Soccer cannot demand equal treatment, because quite frankly it hasn't earned it yet. A simple look at the ratings and attendances throughout North America for the Big Four pro sports (football, baseball, basketball, hockey) will tell you that those four eclipse every other team sport in interest amongst the masses on this continent.

Yes, soccer is growing, and yes soccer is far more popular now than 20 years ago, but it still has a long way to go before the average sports fan will see it as an equal to the established sports.

As I stated before, the media here has embraced TFC. You say that they only attend the media conferences but that is not true. Just this past Friday I read a half-page story in The Star about the signing of Abbe Ibrahim, and most of the papers gave fair coverage to the SuperDraft when it took place. I'll even bet that Neil Davidson's latest CP article on TFC gets picked up by at least two of the four major Toronto papers tomorrow.

[john tv]

Not a word as usual.Nothing all week in The Star.As I said before only media conferences seem to force the creeps to react. There is one today and they simply have no choice. Just wonder if we again will see a rookie or minor writer from The Star.Sofar none of the biggies have bothered to show up. Hey maybe there is a free meal it seems,but yes there is that phony super "howl" week,sorry that always comes first.

[Rudi]

(Sigh) John, you just don't get it, do you?

I'm done trying to explain it to you. You're obviously too bitter and delusional towards the media to think rationally about it.

BTW, John here you go:
http://www.torontosun.com/Sports/OtherSports/2007/02/01/3497869-sun.html
http://www.thestar.com/Sports/article/176732
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20070201.TORONTOFC01/TPStory/?query=soccer
http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/sports/story.html?id=0634d80b-3b74-4aca-af76-454cae8f3c8d

That's a story each from ALL FOUR newspapers in Toronto today. [8)]

[SeanKeay]

Guys, Guys Guys....

Neil Davidson can only write so many articles per week :P

[john tv]

Rudi there was not a word in The morning Pickering edition Star today. maybe on the webb.There was an article in the Globe.
Besides there are now well in excess of 11000 season ticket holders so it appears that we maybe challencing even the all mighty Leafs for total season ticket holders and surpass all the others.There is a tremendous amount of interest obviously and we deserve a much better treatment we have already deserved it big time. Rudi I have been through this crap for many years and we must make sure it does not happen again.Yes it seems that there is a very good media interest only generated by media conferences. These season ticket holders want to know what is going on and since this team and stadium are and have created a lot of interest what we are getting is minimal compared to the others.Rudi I know that crappy Toronto media and they will not bent at all.If they do it will be full of resentment.We need the high profile writers and I will be very curious who was sent today and I will let you know.As I said sofar no one of any importance has showed up at any of the TFC media conferences with the exception of my very good friend George Gross.
I wonder if Gerry and or Craig will be there today.
Again to fall back on Neil Davidson as an excuse does not cut it.

[Rudi]

My point is that you're ranting over nothing.

I just proved that you are wrong about the media so could you please give it a rest for a while?

[Loud Mouth Soup]

John-you do realize that the suburb editions of the Star and Sun are different than the in-city version right?

I've seen entirely different front-page stories on the same day. Outlying areas need different versions so they can:

a)be published and distributed in time, and
b)be published to suit the audience they are geared toward


Sorry, that would be common sense, and you don't use that in your thought process (though you like to throw the words around like you DO understand what they mean).

[Loud Mouth Soup]

quote:Originally posted by john tv

Rudi i have been through this crap for many years and we must make sure it does not happen again...

...what we are getting is minimal compared to the others.Rudi I know that crappy Toronto media and they will not bent at all...

If they do it will be full of resentment...

...As I said sofar no one of any importance has showed up at any of the TFC media conferences with the exception of my very good friend George Gross.


Do you still work in PR? I know you stalk the reporters by phone, but seriously-if this was your attitude and I was the editor making assignments or the reporter having to choose what to write or attend, I'd ignore you in a millisecond. A crap attitude and consistent badmouthing harms more than helps, john.

Your persistent negative attitudes do NOT help TFC or soccer when it comes to the media, despite what you may think.

There are members of the media browsing, even posting on, these boards, and the ones I know find your rants a joke, john. They laugh at you, then brush you off because of the attitude and hatred you show towards them.

[john tv]

I am smoking you out. Stop LM it is a waste of time. The media has nothing but the highest respect for me which I even on this board have prooven without fail. They listen and they react when I come up with a good story and they have for many years.When I say the highest respect that is what it is. I have no idea what you mean by stalking and I take this extremely serious either you back this up or legal action will be taken without fail. I am warning you!

[Loud Mouth Soup]

Fine. You pester them a little much about stories that may not have interest to their overall audience. Better?

I do want to know if this level of respect entitles you to call them names or make references like "Jerkins", "that crappy Toronto media", "no one of any importance", "creeps", "that effen media", "Woolsey crap", "a very big problem", "an effen looser", "this jerk", as well as announce yourself as "the self proclaimed largest Toronto media basher"?

All of these, bar one, are your quotes from this thread alone, not mine.

[john tv]

Ok were is the Star ,so far zilch!!!

[Rudi]

quote:Originally posted by john tv

Ok were is the Star ,so far zilch!!!

Seriously John, are you ignoring every thread except this one?

[john tv]

Rudi sofar not a word in the Star about that training camp. These yo yos are in Florida covering the crap Sh.. j.The Globe did a marvelous job but Canada's most influential dick all. I guess Jerkins is having a bit of a chuckle,which I hate.
Stop defending these creeps hear!

[Loud Mouth Soup]

Ah, to be able to call my good friends 'creeps' like john does-it would be awesome.

[Rudi]

quote:Originally posted by john tv

Rudi sofar not a word in the Star about that training camp. These yo yos are in Florida covering the crap Sh.. j.The Globe did a marvelous job but Canada's most influential dick all. I guess Jerkins is having a bit of a chuckle,which I hate.
Stop defending these creeps hear!

I'll stop defending these "creeps" when you're actually right about them.

I don't have the time to scour the internet, but below is a link to a story that I read out of the paper edition of the Star just last week:

http://www.thestar.com/article/183989 (The print edition had a picture accompanying the story).

There have been more but as I said really don't feel like looking around for things that I know I've seen without much effort at all.

[Loud Mouth Soup]

Rudi-how dare you counter john's claims with your 'facts'.

Shame on you.

[john tv]

I am talking about the print media,those that still control this world.It is downright criminal that the Star has ignored this team while in Florida.As I said the Globe has done a good job,Star sucks big time, Jerkins must have an orgasm.

[Loud Mouth Soup]

quote:Originally posted by john tv

It is downright criminal that the Star has ignored this team while in Florida.

Uhhh...john? Read again.


quote:Originally posted by Rudi

http://www.thestar.com/article/183989 (The print edition had a picture accompanying the story).

What part of 'print edition' can you not read?

[dbailey62]

quote:Originally posted by john tv

I am talking about the print media,those that still control this world.It is downright criminal that the Star has ignored this team while in Florida.As I said the Globe has done a good job,Star sucks big time, Jerkins must have an orgasm.


Hey! I'm trying to eat dinner here!!!! I've just totally lost my appetite. I'll never be able to eat Pizza Pizza's creamy garlic dip ever again!

But seriously JVK, can you try and be a bit more crude. I think we all want to see just how far you can go!

(BTW, press the space bar twice after the period (.) at the conclusion of a sentence. It's a good thing!)

[Bill Ault]

quote:Originally posted by dbailey62

[quote]Originally posted by john tv

I am talking about the print media,those that still control this world.

Hm I thought the guys in the black suits controlled the world....

The print media would be far down on my list [8D]

[marktci]

In today's Sun:


quote:Casey plays waiting game
MLS dragging heels on making contract official
By DEAN MCNULTY, SUN MEDIA

United States international Conor Casey is enjoying his pre-season workouts with Toronto's freshly minted Major League Soccer side but he would like to be able to stick around with his new mates for the rest of the year.

Since the team announced its intention to sign the 25-year-old Denver native, who has played the past two seasons with FSV Mainz in the German Bundesliga, Casey has been in a sort of soccer limbo.

MLS requires that new player signings first be given a green light at the league's New York headquarters.

RULE

MLS has an allocation rule which allows any team which missed the playoffs in the previous year to get the first shot at any new players coming into the league.

As an expansion team, Toronto is No. 1 on the MLS list.

Toronto coach Mo Johnston said since there are no other teams in that position, getting Casey officially on board should be a formality.

The league, however, has delayed making a decision on Casey's future for reasons known only to it.

Yesterday as the team practised at the University of Toronto, Casey said he is starting to get a little impatient at the protracted nature of the MLS signing rule.

"I am a little bit frustrated," Casey said. "I have signed a contract with the league. I'm just waiting for them to make it official up here (in Toronto)."

Johnston won't speak on the record about the league's delay in allowing Casey to become part of the team, saying he is happy to have the 6-foot-1, 190-pound forward practising with the club.

Casey said he is working on the assumption that everything will work out and he will be playing for Toronto in the season-opener April 4 in California against Chivas USA.

"I'm enjoying the training and getting to know my new teammates," Casey said.

"I'm excited about the prospect of playing for a brand new club. We have a good bunch of guys."

Casey, who has been victimized by the injury bug since tearing an anterior cruciate ligament in 2005, said he is feeling good.

He played every minute of scrimmage yesterday and said he felt no ill effects.

"I know it's going to be hard work," Casey said.

"But it's going to be fun with a team that's starting from scratch.

NOTES

Fourth-round draft pick Jeffrey Gonsalves of Markham was back with Toronto FC yesterday, hoping to catch the eye of coaches who will determine which players will accompany the team back to Florida next week for the final pre-season practices ... Tongolese forward Abbe Ibrahim still is working on getting his visa issues cleared up and will not participate in this week's Toronto sessions.

Link (http://www.torontosun.com/Sports/2007/02/28/pf-3676317.html)

[Gian-Luca]

quote:Originally posted by dbailey62


quote:Originally posted by john tv

I am talking about the print media,those that still control this world.It is downright criminal that the Star has ignored this team while in Florida.As I said the Globe has done a good job,Star sucks big time, Jerkins must have an orgasm.


Hey! I'm trying to eat dinner here!!!! I've just totally lost my appetite. I'll never be able to eat Pizza Pizza's creamy garlic dip ever again!



I read this while having lunch and nearly choked to death as a result.

[dbailey62]

quote:Originally posted by Gian-Luca


quote:Originally posted by dbailey62


quote:Originally posted by john tv

I am talking about the print media,those that still control this world.It is downright criminal that the Star has ignored this team while in Florida.As I said the Globe has done a good job,Star sucks big time, Jerkins must have an orgasm.


Hey! I'm trying to eat dinner here!!!! I've just totally lost my appetite. I'll never be able to eat Pizza Pizza's creamy garlic dip ever again!



I read this while having lunch and nearly choked to death as a result.


Sorry G-L. [}:)]

db

[john tv]

Holy S,I guess I am the only media hater left after all these years of injustice,I guess judas has some friends including oh well, even Jesus now is under debate so back to realities.Day eight and that article was not in my Pickering section of the Star,so let's see when the next one will be in and yes that star creep still has not visited the camp and in fact the boys are back, so fact the effen star was not there but at these faded jays.It is totally criminal and a sign of things to come unless the Star and it's management make some drastic changes which would not be welcomed by l.m and that creep ball.

[marktci]

Another piece in today's Sun:


quote:Toronto FC on track

Johnston likes what he sees
By DEAN McNULTY -- Sun Media

The mid-term report card is in and Toronto FC received a passing grade from coach Mo Johnston yesterday at the team's University of Toronto training facility.

Johnston said the team is in good shape a month into pre-season training with another month to go before the April 7 Major League Soccer season opener against Chivas USA in Los Angeles.
Included in the article is that Andy Welsh (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Welsh) is now in TFC's camp and that they are talking to "an overseas keeper".

More here. (http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Soccer/TorontoFC/2007/03/01/3681255-sun.html)

[Loud Mouth Soup]

I know what it is. John's paperboy carries scissors with him, and cuts out all the footy news. John's been wondering why there's a big hole in his papers each morning.

And 'faded jays', john? I'm the furthest from a Jays fan, but they are by no means 'faded'. One of the strongest teams going in to this season in the East. Why exactly are they faded? And try not to use the words 'creep', 'effin', 'loosers', 'damaging', 'destroying our youth', and 'hate'.

[Rudi]

Here's today's article by those creeps at the Star, available in every edition except Pickering:

Toronto FC coach a stickler for being prompt
Johnston sits out two players for showing up late

Midway through Toronto FC's intrasquad scrimmage yesterday, Adam Braz dribbled up to midfield, looking to pass the ball forward. Midfielder A.J. Gray, a member of Canada's under-20 national team trying out for the Toronto FC, strode toward Braz as he cocked his leg.

BOOM-bip.

Gray blocked the kick and emerged with the ball.

"Good, A.J.," shouted head coach Mo Johnston. "It happens when you close out quicker."

If Gray and under-20 teammate Stephen Lumley learn nothing else from their Major League Soccer tryout, they'll know that it pays to arrive on time.

Full Article (http://www.thestar.com/Sports/article/186998)

[jpg75]

You beat me to it Rudi...

Looks like another article from those 'effin, creep loosers who i hate for damaging and destroying our youth. I got them all in :D

[SoccMan]

I will say that the print media has been ok so far in their coverage of the TFC training camp. However, I was just wondering how has the local Toronto TV stations sportscast been doing in their coverage of the TFC training camp? Has their been any TV coverage by CITY TV, CFTO or Global on any of their sportcast on TFC? Has anybody seen any coverage by any of these stations during their sportscast?

[john tv]

Hey there was a media conference yesterday and again the Star blew this one. No trips to the camp and now even ignoring this one.I guess they can take some great lessons from the Globe.I wonder when Rosie will get her teeth into soccer. She confided in me that she does not like it at all we will see. Still wonder why Griffi never made it to our team.
About that media conference read the Globe. I guess the Sun will have an article as well.Come on Star stop being such a fool!

[Loud Mouth Soup]

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[jpg75]

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[john tv]

How does it feel biting the dust?

[Loud Mouth Soup]

Damn you jpg, that took me a few minutes to get. Stupid mug throwing me off...

[john tv]

LM and Rudy how does it feel,hey The Star started from day one.They have not given up yet as we all have noticed.They have a soccer writer who has never been to a TFC media conference and from what I hear from my soccer buddies he is an arrogant sob.The Star has to revamp their sports department to give soccer and TFC proper recognition as the Globe and I assume Sun have. They have to do away with the Jerkins influences and get with it. Soccer is changing the Canadian sportinf world and Canadian soccer in particular.
It's funny and maybe a real sign of the times.All my tennis buddies are now talking soccer and even slip in TFC. My bar buddies again same story.This cat tonight tried to tell me about Mo Johnson and this Catholic,protestant stuff.I asked him were are you from,Pembrooke he said?
Anyway guys I was prooven right I wonder if there is a cartoon showing LM on his knees,anyone please,please.

[Grizzly]

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[Grizzly]

quote:Originally posted by john tvStar sucks big time, Jerkins must have an orgasm.



quote:Originally posted by john tvI wonder if there is a cartoon showing LM on his knees,anyone please,please.


And for these typical Johntv comments.

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His desire to see pictures of LMS on his knees makes me wonder which way John is:
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[Cheeta]

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