TFC Petition Number 1

[SeanKeay]

Hey guys, just totally dissapointed that we were given the first ever TFC match all the way in LA, so The usector and Red Patch Boys came togeather to create a petition to try and get it moved to a closer venue so we wont miss the event.. please sign it. Its for a great cause

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/TFC_1st_Game/index.html

[RealGooner]

I tried to sign but it keeps demanding a donation via paypal so I didnt. Is there not a 'free' petition system we can make use of?

[canadian_bhoy]

quote:Originally posted by RealGooner

I tried to sign but it keeps demanding a donation via paypal so I didnt. Is there not a 'free' petition system we can make use of?


It is free...I think its asking for a donation, but you can just say no and sign the petition anyway..

[Rudi]

quote:Originally posted by RealGooner

I tried to sign but it keeps demanding a donation via paypal so I didnt. Is there not a 'free' petition system we can make use of?

If you want, just give me some money and I'll sign it for you, Ruf! :D

[JamesW]

quote:Originally posted by RealGooner

I tried to sign but it keeps demanding a donation via paypal so I didnt. Is there not a 'free' petition system we can make use of?

If you read what it says:

quote:Thank you for signing the petition. Your signature has been registered.
;)

[RealGooner]

quote:Originally posted by Rudi


quote:Originally posted by RealGooner

I tried to sign but it keeps demanding a donation via paypal so I didnt. Is there not a 'free' petition system we can make use of?

If you want, just give me some money and I'll sign it for you, Ruf! :D


Looks like I did sign it after all...

[Rudi]

So no money, then? :(

[BrennanFan]

If mls changes the schedule due to this petition, i will eat my shoes.

[SeanKeay]

I will eat my own shoe and everyone elses that sign it..... as i have said a million times. I would rather let the mls know we are a group of dissapointed fans rather then think we will accept it. Maybe it wont help us with our problem, but lets say down the line montreal has a team or what ever maybe the mls will use there tiny brains and be like hey... remember when those TFC fans gave us all that poop for making there first game ever in Compton?

[RealGooner]

quote:Originally posted by SeanKeay

I will eat my own shoe and everyone elses that sign it..... as i have said a million times. I would rather let the mls know we are a group of dissapointed fans rather then think we will accept it. Maybe it wont help us with our problem, but lets say down the line montreal has a team or what ever maybe the mls will use there tiny brains and be like hey... remember when those TFC fans gave us all that poop for making there first game ever in Compton?


Exactly. MLS needs to know that regardless of what fans are like in other cities, the ones here are living breathing ones and we give a **** about this team.

[Jeffery S.]

If a side that has never been in top flight, say Gimnastica de Torrelavega in Spain (which I cite as I am sure it has never been in a 1st div and I can't cite teams so certainly in other countries), wins a couple of promotions and find themselves in top flight, I can assure you the supporters would not give a damn where they had to play their first match. It would be entirely irrelevant.

Okay, so G de Torrelavega does exist, and has existed, so it is not like their first game ever. But if you are going into a league, accept its terms, understand that the schedule is fair, or fair enough, for all teams, and that you are not being unduly discriminated but in fact are being treated just like the rest, where you happen to play your first ever game should also be totally irrelevant.

Imagine such a position had been taken on opening day of the MLS, half the league's fans complaining and petitioning about having to open their first ever game in Kansas or Chicago. It did not happen of course, because it would have been a ridiculous posture.

I think this petition makes TO fans come across as rather childish, as if something so unimportant could really matter to a serious soccer fan.

[Rudi]

Ah Jeffrey, I was wondering when the old condescending version of yourself would come out. You've been far too nice lately.

Great job painting two entire supporters groups (the only real two in Toronto, btw) as non-serious soccer fans.

How's the weather up on that soap box, anyways?

[Cheeta]

quote:Originally posted by SeanKeay

I will eat my own shoe and everyone elses that sign it..... as i have said a million times. I would rather let the mls know we are a group of dissapointed fans rather then think we will accept it. Maybe it wont help us with our problem, but lets say down the line montreal has a team or what ever maybe the mls will use there tiny brains and be like hey... remember when those TFC fans gave us all that poop for making there first game ever in Compton?


Hmmm.

Agree with that. Same idea as arguing with the ref. You're not arguing to change his mind on the call he's just made. You're actually arguing against any future calls he going to make.

By the by, if BrennanFan is wrong and has to eat his shoes, I'll 2nd the thought and eat his socks.

[john tv]

It sounds like some girl friend is cheating.Who cares where they play their first game.It may have something to do with field conditions,hey it may even be on TV.I know that fans have this sort of you are mine thing,but let us not start critizing our boys and team already,let us thank our blessings and save all that negative energie for the opposing team.

[Richard]

I expect as the new boy on the block TFC get's little say in where it starts the season.

[Jeffery S.]

quote:Originally posted by Rudi

Ah Jeffrey, I was wondering when the old condescending version of yourself would come out. You've been far too nice lately.

Great job painting two entire supporters groups (the only real two in Toronto, btw) as non-serious soccer fans.

How's the weather up on that soap box, anyways?


Its a fan forum Rudi, people have different ideas; but are you arguing that anyone differing from you is condescending? What a low opinion of your own views you have.

Have your petition. Send it in. Expect it to be ignored, not because you are the new kids on the block, nor because the team has yet to have clout in the league. Or any other assinine bit of victimization you can come up with. It will likely be ignored because if the league is half serious they should ignore it. They don't make an entire year's schedule in function of every capricious whim of every supporters group.

But if they do change the date and give you a home opener, all power to you, all the sillier and maleable the league.

[Rudi]

quote:Originally posted by Jeffrey S.


quote:Originally posted by Rudi

Ah Jeffrey, I was wondering when the old condescending version of yourself would come out. You've been far too nice lately.

Great job painting two entire supporters groups (the only real two in Toronto, btw) as non-serious soccer fans.

How's the weather up on that soap box, anyways?


Its a fan forum Rudi, people have different ideas; but are you arguing that anyone differing from you is condescending?

No. The word 'childish' and implying that the groups are not serious soccer fans were the condescending parts.

I'm not going to argue with you over this though. My personal feelings about this petition do not matter. I just wanted to point out yet another example of you getting up on your high horse.

[Jeffery S.]

How much do you want to bet that FC Toronto ASKED to have their opener away from home because construction and final details on the stadium are on such a tight schedule that an extra week will actually benefit its completion?

Much better to have that extra time to round off things than have a home opener in a stadium that is not entirely ready, which would mean bad press, and, likely enough, criticism from the likes of many fans.

Just to make sure the team does not lose face playing in a facility that is not ready, maybe you should reverse the petition and ask for a couple more road games at the start. Now that would be the patriotic thing to do.

[El Hombre]

quote:Originally posted by Jeffrey S.

How much do you want to bet that FC Toronto ASKED to have their opener away from home because construction and final details on the stadium are on such a tight schedule that an extra week will actually benefit its completion?
They aren't petitioning for a home opener but just to get the game moved closer to make it easier to travel to. New York, Chicago or Columbus are the ideal candidates I think.

While I don't think anyone who signed the petition (of which I am one) actually thinks that the game will be moved, but I do think that it is a nice show of support for the team. There is a bit of a whiney-baby aspect to it but it also shows MLS that the team does have a group of supporters that take the game seriously and are looking forward to the product taking the field.

[loyola]

quote:Originally posted by Jeffrey S.

How much do you want to bet that FC Toronto ASKED to have their opener away from home because construction and final details on the stadium are on such a tight schedule that an extra week will actually benefit its completion?

Much better to have that extra time to round off things than have a home opener in a stadium that is not entirely ready, which would mean bad press, and, likely enough, criticism from the likes of many fans.

Just to make sure the team does not lose face playing in a facility that is not ready, maybe you should reverse the petition and ask for a couple more road games at the start. Now that would be the patriotic thing to do.


You don't understand the reason of the petition, you're a way off with this post.

They want the first game to be played closer to home instead of California.

El Hombre beat me to it.

[Rudi]

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[Jeffery S.]

quote:Originally posted by loyola


quote:Originally posted by Jeffrey S.

How much do you want to bet that FC Toronto ASKED to have their opener away from home because construction and final details on the stadium are on such a tight schedule that an extra week will actually benefit its completion?

Much better to have that extra time to round off things than have a home opener in a stadium that is not entirely ready, which would mean bad press, and, likely enough, criticism from the likes of many fans.

Just to make sure the team does not lose face playing in a facility that is not ready, maybe you should reverse the petition and ask for a couple more road games at the start. Now that would be the patriotic thing to do.


You don't understand the reason of the petition, you're a way off with this post.

They want the first game to be played closer to home instead of California.

El Hombre beat me to it.


If you want to have games closer to home, why don't you ask if you can play in the CPSL? Or request for the teams on the west coast to be relocated for your benefit.

[loyola]

quote:Originally posted by Jeffrey S.


quote:Originally posted by loyola


quote:Originally posted by Jeffrey S.

How much do you want to bet that FC Toronto ASKED to have their opener away from home because construction and final details on the stadium are on such a tight schedule that an extra week will actually benefit its completion?

Much better to have that extra time to round off things than have a home opener in a stadium that is not entirely ready, which would mean bad press, and, likely enough, criticism from the likes of many fans.

Just to make sure the team does not lose face playing in a facility that is not ready, maybe you should reverse the petition and ask for a couple more road games at the start. Now that would be the patriotic thing to do.


You don't understand the reason of the petition, you're a way off with this post.

They want the first game to be played closer to home instead of California.

El Hombre beat me to it.


If you want to have games closer to home, why don't you ask if you can play in the CPSL? Or request for the teams on the west coast to be relocated for your benefit.


They're using the fact that it's the first game in the club history and would like to have the first game ever (not all games) closer to Toronto in order to be able to attend the game since it's the FIRST EVER.

BTW, I'm just helping you reading here, I'm not saying they are right to petition for this.

[thepatriot]

quote:Originally posted by john tv

It sounds like some girl friend is cheating.Who cares where they play their first game.It may have something to do with field conditions,hey it may even be on TV.I know that fans have this sort of you are mine thing,but let us not start critizing our boys and team already,let us thank our blessings and save all that negative energie for the opposing team.


The first and maybe only time I'll agree with JohnTV....not one freakin game has taken place and already the kids are crying over the spilt milk. Take your energy and use it in a positive manner on something worth while and something you might actually be able to switch.....MLS WILL NOT change the sked.

[loyola]

quote:Originally posted by brandon

I'd be more inclined to sign this petition if it was for having the game played in Toronto. that i can understand and quite honestly the league should have seen to it that the first ever game was at home. But to create a petition to mls to have a "league" game moved to a neutral venue is beyond absurd and doesnt make TFC look like they have passionate fans but rather fans that are uninformed and juvenile.



No, no and no. They want to switch opponents, an opponent who'll be closer like NY, Chicago or Colombus. That's it.

[brandon]

deleted,my bad. the schedule isnt going to be changed (nor should it) we all know that. seems like a waste of time.

[thepatriot]

The first games of the season are not being played in the area because of climate more than anything else....not because of the stadium....it will be complete ahead of schedule....here is the latest:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v110/stealth_duke/BMOfieldDec4.jpg

[Rudi]

quote:Originally posted by thepatriot

Take your energy and use it in a positive manner on something worth while
You do realize that the petition took all of about 3 minutes to type out, and for those who signed, about 30 seconds to fill out, right?

It's not like people are storming MLS offices demanding for this game to be changed.

Jesus, it's really not that big a deal. If you don't agree with the petition, stop bitching about it, or calling those who do agree with it derogatory names. No one is holding a gun to your head, so sign it if you wish.

I don't even necessarily agree with the petition myself, but I signed it because it shows that TFC fans are paying attention and actually care about our team.

And for all of those people who have reading comprehension problems, or are being blatantly ignorant (hmm, who could I be referring to here?), the petition has nothing to do with rescheduling all of the games, or having TFC's first ever game in Toronto, or moving it to a neutral venue. Calling those who wrote the petition uninformed, while not having actually read the petition yourselves is the height of irony.

[loyola]

quote:Originally posted by brandon

deleted,my bad. the schedule isnt going to be changed (nor should it) we all know that. seems like a waste of time.


Signing a petition takes 5 seconds.....

I agree MLS won't change the schedule and I think they choose LA for climate purposes (do they play game in Colombus, Chicago and NE at the same time?).

[Rudi]

quote:Originally posted by loyola


quote:Originally posted by brandon

deleted,my bad. the schedule isnt going to be changed (nor should it) we all know that. seems like a waste of time.


Signing a petition takes 5 seconds.....

I agree MLS won't change the schedule and I think they choose LA for climate purposes (do they play game in Colombus, Chicago and NE at the same time?).
Chicago is playing at home that day, as is Columbus, I believe.

[Rudi]

quote:Originally posted by thepatriot

The first games of the season are not being played in the area because of climate more than anything else....
Nope.

See my post above. Chicago and Columbus (confirmed) are both hosting matches that day.

[loyola]

quote:Originally posted by Rudi


quote:Originally posted by thepatriot

Take your energy and use it in a positive manner on something worth while
You do realize that the petition took all of about 3 minutes to type out, and for those who signed, about 30 seconds to fill out, right?

It's not like people are storming MLS offices demanding for this game to be changed.

Jesus, it's really not that big a deal. If you don't agree with the petition, stop bitching about it, or calling those who do agree with it derogatory names. No one is holding a gun to your head, so sign it if you wish.

I don't even necessarily agree with the petition myself, but I signed it because it shows that TFC fans are paying attention and actually care about our team.

And for all of those people who have reading comprehension problems, or are being blatantly ignorant (hmm, who could I be referring to here?), the petition has nothing to do with rescheduling all of the games, or having TFC's first ever game in Toronto, or moving it to a neutral venue. Calling those who wrote the petition uninformed, while not having actually read the petition yourselves is the height of irony.


"So you're suggesting the fans should storm the MLS offices???"

I bet it will be the next post of Jeffrey S......

[jonovision]

I don't think this petition will make much difference at MLS headquarters, nor should it. But I also don't think there's much harm in it.

[Jeffery S.]

There will come a day when you will travel for an away game, the security will treat you like crap, they won't let you sit together, they'll confiscate banners, they'll harass you at the stadium, maybe you'll get to hear the other team's radicals boo our national anthem. One of you will get arrested for calling them "liberal democrats", a swear word in the States. And you'll duly send in your letters and petitions to the league to complain.

Or some two-bit ref will rob TO of a game, or maybe a few, the guy obviously has a problem with TO, and you'll want to petition or write the league to say the jerk should not call any more TO games.

Or they'll retouch the schedule to benefit the US national team's pre-qualifying friendlies, but ignore similar appeals from the CSA, make TO play on a day when the nats are preparing. And you'll send in your petition and letters complaining about how they are discriminating the Canadian national team and FC TO at the same time, taking players away from it and creating bad blood.

And in every single case, the league will look at the letters and petitions, about fifty times more relevant and justified than in this case, and they'll shake their heads and laugh: "Those guys will bitch about anything, they even complained about opening in LA, they are always complaining those Canadians, must be all those trade unions controlling their minds." And they'll toss your petitions and letters into the trash can and go about their business.

And rightly so, because you if you want to cry wolf you and have anyone listen you have to have a wolf in front of you first. And if you don't, they next time you do so, they won't care if it is real or not, they'll let it eat you.

[RealGooner]

READ the petition Jeffrey.
Nobody is complaining with the first game being an away one. We just want a reasonable chance of being able to attend it, since its THE FIRST EVER TFC GAME. Unfortuntely, LA is not feasable for the vast majority of TFC fans. Somewhere else on the East coast would have been reasonable for us to be able to attend this HISTORIC TFC game. If you think this is a childish or unreasonable request then please just ignore the petition. Thats all.

[RealGooner]

quote:Originally posted by Jeffrey S.

There will come a day when you will travel for an away game, the security will treat you like crap, they won't let you sit together, they'll confiscate banners, they'll harass you at the stadium, maybe you'll get to hear the other team's radicals boo our national anthem. One of you will get arrested for calling them "liberal democrats", a swear word in the States. And you'll duly send in your letters and petitions to the league to complain.

Or some two-bit ref will rob TO of a game, or maybe a few, the guy obviously has a problem with TO, and you'll want to petition or write the league to say the jerk should not call any more TO games.

Or they'll retouch the schedule to benefit the US national team's pre-qualifying friendlies, but ignore similar appeals from the CSA, make TO play on a day when the nats are preparing. And you'll send in your petition and letters complaining about how they are discriminating the Canadian national team and FC TO at the same time, taking players away from it and creating bad blood.

And in every single case, the league will look at the letters and petitions, about fifty times more relevant and justified than in this case, and they'll shake their heads and laugh: "Those guys will bitch about anything, they even complained about opening in LA, they are always complaining those Canadians, must be all those trade unions controlling their minds." And they'll toss your petitions and letters into the trash can and go about their business.

And rightly so, because you if you want to cry wolf you and have anyone listen you have to have a wolf in front of you first. And if you don't, they next time you do so, they won't care if it is real or not, they'll let it eat you.

Dude you've already dug yourself a hole with your poor reading comprehension, now you're trying to predict what the league will think sometime in a mythical future. Keep diggin bro.

[Jeffery S.]

quote:Originally posted by RealGooner

READ the petition Jeffrey.
Nobody is complaining with the first game being an away one. We just want a reasonable chance of being able to attend it, since its THE FIRST EVER TFC GAME. Unfortuntely, LA is not feasable for the vast makority of TFC fans. Somewhere else on the East coast would have been reasonable for us to be able to attend this HISTORIC TFC game. If you think this is a childish or unreasonable request then please just ignore the petition. Thats all.


By the time you have played a few pre-season friendlies and have had your chance to cheer for the team, home or away, the whole idea will be irrelevant anyways. It won't even be important for you any more.

But you will have wasted a few good cartridges shooting at the league and that can't have any benefit in the long term.

[Rudi]

Maybe we should just be meek Canadians and shut up then.

[DoyleG]

quote:Originally posted by Rudi

Maybe we should just be meek Canadians and shut up then.


Stop whinning and use your damn heads.

[morrison]

if anyone thinks this petition is a waste of energy, you've probably spent more time arguing against it then the people who've signed it took to write the little question and put their names to the petition.

what a bunch of whiny bastards we are ;)

[Rudi]

quote:Originally posted by DoyleG


quote:Originally posted by Rudi

Maybe we should just be meek Canadians and shut up then.


Stop whinning and use your damn heads.

I'll stop 'whinning' when you use your damn head and learn to spell correctly.

[Sigma]

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